Suggestion: Tibet decisions and cores like Tuva, Kurdistan, and Ottomans et al.

[ngazi]

Tibet is a bit like Kurdistan and Tuva and is already independent at the start of the game, but the other two got a bit of an advantage.

At the very start Tibet should have cores on South Tibet, Xikang, and Ladakh, and claims on Qinghai, Dali, Nepal, Bhutan, and even Mongolia maybe. Then have a decision to core all of the Ma states, all of Yunnan, all of Sichuan, all of Xinjiang, Nepal, Bhutan, and all of Kashmir.

What we call Tibet and Tibetans today are named after a seventh century polity that created an empire centered in Tibet and Qinghai and most famously conquered all parts of Tang China west of its capital, and sacked the capital and subjugated the Tang emperor. The word Tibet just means empire.

The Tanguts were closely related to imperial and modern Tibetans and ruled the polity Western Xia centered on the upper Yellow River in what is now Yinchuan, Ningxia.

By the start of the game the Tibetans are no longer the masters of Qinghai but are still a large part of its highland population, as well as in Yunnan and Sichuan. Ladakh, Nepal, and Bhutan are also heavily Tibetan culture.

They also were religious leader in the Mongol Empire at its height, which spread their religion and culture to even more areas, and well it makes as much sense to give Tibet missions on Mongol conquests as it does Tuva.

 

[Vapiritapiri]

Agreed!

 

[icedt729]

I'd have a good time with a "Restore Tibetan Empire" decision rewarding an expansionist Tibet with some high-manpower Chinese and Indian cores. It's crazy, but it's objectively less crazy than, say, Italy coring the former Roman Empire.

 

[DystopianAlphaOmega]

There’s some argument to be made for Bhutan I suppose, though it’s a much harder sell for the far more Indian and Hindu influenced Nepal. To be honest though, both of them should probably be British or Raj puppets at game start like in HOI III anyways, which would make it a lot harder for Tibet to take them.

Some sort of formable Tibetan Empire for Tibet to work towards might be an interesting challenge run, though harder to argue they should start with a bunch of cores and claims, especially to areas they hadn’t ruled or even claimed for centuries.

I’m less familiar with the ethnic situation in China. Some of its representation could likely use some improvement though, like Mongolia and Menjiang at least getting claims on the (much less Sinicized than today) Inner Mongolia for instance.

 

[ngazi]

Well you would need to own Kashmir, South Tibet, and parts of China to get cores on Nepal anyways. So the idea is to stay in the same vain as the Tuva decision to just give a game play challenge. Nepal is more Indian in the low lands and more Tibetan in the highlands.

I think Tibet already starts with cores on Xikang, but no other claims. Ladakh and South Tibet are not even in game map. South Tibet is mentioned in the Chinese shared focus tree just to give them a war goal but no claim. Kurdistan starts with a bunch of cores but I didn't have that for Tibet. Many surrounding places are still governed autonomously by Tibetans because they are too high and isolated for other people to move in. And Tibetans still keep that centuries old name because although their rulers had fractured, their political and cultural influence on their neighbors continued.

Mongolia is really just another Tuva, having been conquered and controlled by the Soviets. They and Menjiang and Manchukuo existed on paper only. As seen in the game, Inner Mongolia is split between Ma, Jin, and Menjiang. The major cities of Inner Mongolia were closely integrated with Taiyuan to form the Jin Clique.

 

[jacekgk]

At the very start Tibet should have cores on South Tibet, Xikang, and Ladakh, and claims on Qinghai, Dali, Nepal, Bhutan, and even Mongolia maybe. Then have a decision to core all of the Ma states, all of Yunnan, all of Sichuan, all of Xinjiang, Nepal, Bhutan, and all of Kashmir.

I'm a big fan of this suggestion. Really, I think, that more formable nations, like:
- Great Tibet with decisions like in this thread;
- restoring Mongol Empire by taking lands from Mengjiang and China, through Russia and Middle East to even Poland with few steps of decisions;
- reuniting La Plata via integration Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay and Bolivia;
could make fun playing with nations, which You cannot do anything fine now.

 

[vermicious knid]

Decision paths for formable nations are a pretty easy add, and it is simple to make the use of them unavailable to the AI. Which seems like a good way to include things like this...an AI Tibetan Empire won't sprout up and ruin somebody's game that they are trying to keep plausible, but it is available if a human player wants to roleplay.