[Suggestion] Racial prejudice impeding marital union

[ziamatt]

Maybe there could be some kind of fog of war so you can only "know" about places that are somewhat close to you or that you've sent your chancellor to. And you can only marry from the places that you know about.

I'd prefer a scaled fog of war based on relative distance and maybe a few other factors. You should be able to see all of the map, but while a Duke of Iceland might know who the King of Abyssinia and his heir apparent are, he probably doesn't know all of Abyssinia's random courtiers or even the extended royal family. On the other hand a ruler in one realm might know the court of a neighboring realm but not perfectly, so some people would be missing or their stats and traits skewed. This could all be influenced by Intrigue, or maybe by Learning, or a combination of both, as they both influence information and knowledge gathering. Perhaps councilors could even help out with it, in the same way that a councilor in a foreign province lifts the fog of war from that province.
This fog of war should probably also apply to technology and building levels, maybe even supply and geographical information.

 

[TheGreatSnoop]

"Racial" prejudice in the time frame of the game is quite simply anachronistic. There's already a "foreigner" relation and that pretty much represents people's views on "race" back then i.e. it was your culture/ethnicity. The infamous wacked-out theories of scientific racism only took off after the transatlantic slave trade to justify slavery, before that race meant culture or nationality, even in the 19th century Irish immigrants to the United States were thought of as a different race from the established English-Americans. Modern prejudices like what we now know as racism have no place in this game, they simply didn't exist aside from xenophobia, religious bigotry, and barbarian-hating a la the Greeks.

Wrong. If you really think that the medieval world was some racial love fest where a Scandinavian, German or Arab saw themselves as 'the same' as a Mongol or an African, other than religiously speaking, then you're living in a fantasy world.

I'll quote Khedas' post for you.

Also, here in the Peninsula many of the Laws we have from the Visigothic Kings are aimed specifically at preventing interracial marriages (they were concerned their germanic stock would be dilluted if free marriages were avaliable): there is a reason why the Goths choose to keep following Arianism [a christian heresy named after the Priest Arius of Alexandria, who claimed the late IIIth century-early IVth century that Christ was only the Son of God]: by doing so, they had a good pretext to keep their marriages between themselves and exclude the native Catholics.

In the Muslim world, something similar (maybe the opposite of, really) happened: Arabs were seen as the best people around (having been the people in which the Prophet had been born and the ones that started Islam), so having Arab blood was a matter of great pride. Everyone thus tried to marry an Arab if they had a choice. Arabs themselves had to be careful or else they'd lose their 'superior' status due to too much intermarriages (by the XIth century, most Emirs in Iberia claimed to be of Arab stock, and while soime - like the Emirs of Zaragoza - truly were so, most were Berbers by this time.

 

[OscarIsaiah]

Came here looking for a thread about whether Church holdings were still the best to build as Orthodox. Came across a thread advocating interracial sex and left wing cultural cowardice.

 

[Isaios]

Came here looking for a thread about whether Church holdings were still the best to build as Orthodox. Came across a thread advocating interracial sex and left wing cultural cowardice.

And that means what exactly?

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

It is just a game people !

And this game has no races, only cultures. And there is no limit on a culture you can marry or not. This is not going to be changed.

And before this thread spins out of control I am going to close it.