Suggestion : Jews tolerated within their respective historical realm

[matsunaga]

I always felt like the implementation of jews in vanilla was frankly devoid of content and flavor... more specfically that a jewish courtier is automatically completely reviled by others in the court because the infidel and foreigner modifiers kick in.

My suggestion is as follows: for the three israelite groups: Shepardi , Ashkenazi and Mizrahi allow them to have better relations within their historically accurate realms.

For example shepardi ("spanish") jews were tolerated in Al-Andalus under the Umayyad Caliphs , Mizrahi jews were tolerated in the ottoman empire (a famous admiral of the ottoman fleet in later periods was jewish), Ashkenazi jews... under Charlemagne were supposedly tolerated.


The historical validity of the above can be debated i'll admit but i think it makes the whole idea of jewish courtiers more interesting if they are not automatically -100 with their own realm.

 

[Ganegrei]

I agree. I find the reverse even worse. Jewish courtiers show up hating everyone else in their adoptive court. This makes it very difficult to use them as council members because they immediately start undermining you due to having neg opinion. When I get a Jewish courtier that I want to use, I generally console them the requisite tolerance trait.

 

[zijistark]

One low-profile, minimal way (something appropriate for EMF, where I don't want to devote a lot of CPU cycles to something minor like Jewish courtier opinion) to approach this problem would be to override the SoA events that spawn Jewish courtiers to give those particular Jewish courtiers better general opinion from all characters and, for the reverse opinion problem, giving them the sympathy trait appropriate to their new liege's religion.

 

[matsunaga]

That would be a great start to fixing the warhammer-esque religion ("KILL HERETICS/ALIENS") aspect of ck2 lol.
Thanks.

 

[OrdepNM]

In VIET, when jewish courtiers show up, there's an opinion boost to the ruler who welcomes them that, in a way, serves that purpose.

We also have way more jewish cultures than three ^_~

 

[Lord of Pain]

One low-profile, minimal way (something appropriate for EMF, where I don't want to devote a lot of CPU cycles to something minor like Jewish courtier opinion) to approach this problem would be to override the SoA events that spawn Jewish courtiers to give those particular Jewish courtiers better general opinion from all characters and, for the reverse opinion problem, giving them the sympathy trait appropriate to their new liege's religion.

The easiest way, IMO, would be to create the historical minor title of 'Court Jew' and use gain_effect to add appropriate traits.

EDIT: Maybe something like this:

title_court_jew = {
    dignity = 0.01
    realm_in_name = yes
    grant_limit = 5
    opinion_effect = 10
    
    allow = {
        is_adult = yes
        religion_group = jewish_group
        FROM = {
            OR = {
                is_feudal = yes
                is_tribal = yes
            }
            primary_title = {
                OR = {
                    tier = king
                    tier = emperor
                    tier = duke
                }
            }
        }
    }
    
    gain_effect = {
        add_trait = sympathy_christendom
        add_trait = sympathy_islam
        FROM = {
            prestige = -10
        }
    }
    lose_effect = {
        remove_trait = zealous
    }

    message = yes
}

 

[matsunaga]

In VIET, when jewish courtiers show up, there's an opinion boost to the ruler who welcomes them that, in a way, serves that purpose.

We also have way more jewish cultures than three ^_~

Yes i know but i was making an example for the purpose of explaining it.

Beth Israel in africa should be tolerated within their respective realm. (the miaphysites i guess? not the muslims? i have not researched this deeply alas)