I was thinking that getting the first idea when you choose the idea's group would be nice. Instant gratification and all that
Suggestion: Free first Idea upon unlocking group
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Nah. But i do think it should be possible to replace the idea group until you have actually picked the first idea in there. Since it doesn't give any bonuses by itself.
OP has a point. You spend 450 points to unlock an idea group, which is a lot of points you could be spending on something else. For such a price you should at least get the first idea.
The point investment represents an investment into an opportunity. There aren't any instant rewards when selecting an idea group by design.
Why not move the completion bonus for the idea group to an unlocking bonus? That way, players can feel like something has actually happened when they choose an idea group, and it eliminates the odd triple-effect of completing a group (final idea effect, completion bonus, and national idea).
Because the completing bonus is supposed to be a completing bonus and not an initialization bonus?
Alternatively, the UI cannot handle it, but the game engine can handle having a "start = { }" entry the same way the Nation Specific Ideas do, allowing you to add a specific bonus to just having the Idea Group.
Actually, scratch that, it seems the bonus shows up in an ugly way but doesn't actually apply any effects. Or at least giving the Defensive Ideas a Morale Boost just for unlocking them is not registering anywhere else in the UI.
Actually, scratch that, it seems the bonus shows up in an ugly way but doesn't actually apply any effects. Or at least giving the Defensive Ideas a Morale Boost just for unlocking them is not registering anywhere else in the UI.
This would rush people into picking an idea group, because otherwise they won't get this free first bonus as soon as possible. Not sure if I like that. The system works fine right now, don't fix what ain't broke, m'kay?
On the fence on this one. Simply deciding "our country is going in this direction!" should probably have some immediate effect, however small. The completion bonuses are too powerful to simply be switched, so perhaps have both? The initialization bonus could be some small long-term thing, to prevent rushing to choose. It'd be interesting to build event sequences on the idea groups you choose, giving little bonuses over long periods of time.
You do get new events depending on which idea group you have picked. For example, the Naval Ottomans in the demo get lots of stuff about how the navy is glorious or how the army is being overlooked in favour of the navy.
Isn't unlocking an idea group free? It costs points to research the tech and that has it's own benefits. The ideas cost points too, but the unlocking of a group is free.
I think that particular event happens regardless of ideas, its based on whichever you've been gaining tradition with (I could be wrong). However, this isn't quite what I meant. Say you choose the naval ideas group. Events could start popping up describing the changeover to a naval focus. Shipbuilders becoming (more) important, naval officers becoming their own clique at court and in government, etc. Just little changes to give a feel that the country is slowly moving toward a certain new paradigm.
In what way? The only addition to the ideas themselves is the group completion bonus, which we already brought up.
Main bonus is possibility to invest in this group of ideas
Anyway I think it is bad time for discusion about free ideas, if nobody know how many points you will need for technology/ideas and other stuff from long term perspective for different countries...
Thanks for letting me know. I really need to learn how to mod these games, if only to cut down on impossible suggestions on the forums.
Does this mean that there is no way to eliminate the triple effect of picking the final idea of a group? That seems strange to me still, but if their are UI limitations, I don't know how it could be changed.
Why would you want to eliminate the "triple" effect? Just because you can change the system does not mean that you should, after all...