We have new event about making Korea as Manchu’s tributary in 1.33. And i have suggestion for this event!
This event's current option for Korea is
1. Maintaining as Ming's tributary
2. Become Manchu's tributary
(AI choose this 100%, although it seems making tributary is not working in Beta when manchu is tributary & if manchu is independent, korea become Manchu’s tributary and makes alliance with Ming)
3. Become independence
I know Devs' objective is make Manchu AI strong, but current event option seems too forced. But I love this event's idea. So I want to suggest alternative.
First, let's talk about history. Option 1 was 'Historical' decision of Korea. Reason of this decision was because Ming helped Joseon dynasty at devastating war with Japan(1592) and Korean elites felt earnest gratitude for this. So Korean leadership chose to kept loyalty for Ming when Manchu rise and sent troops when Ming fought with Manchu(1619). At last Manchu attacked Korea twice(1627,1636) and made Korea as tributary. (There is more complexed story about more neutral diplomatic king's deposition but I will skip it.)
I know if Korean AI choose option 1 like history a lot then it doesn't fulfil our goal. So I think it has to be changed like this.
Event trigger condition:
1. Manchu is formed
2. Manchu has more number of Army than Korea
3. (1) Manchu is tributary of Ming & Manchu has at least 150 development & Ming's mandate is lower than 40
OR (2) Manchu is independent
Condition 2: Why Korea will choose to become Manchu's tributary when they are stronger than Manchu? Army condition prevents ridiculous situation like stronger Korea become tributary of weaker Manchu. But Manchu gets +20% Army limit because of horde government so it will be not hard to fulfil condition 2.
Condition 3: If independent Manchu is weak then Ming will attack Manchu anyway and beats easily. To prevent this situation, Condition 3-(1): when Manchu is tributary, stronger than Korea and has enough development, Ming’s mandate is low the Manchu will get independence and make Korea as tributary by this event's option 2. Because Ming's mandate is low, it will be more easy to survive. Ming will take celestial reform, so it will be not hard to see this situation. Condition 3-(2): I don’t think AI Manchu will survive in independence before it becomes strong. So it’s for already strong Manchu AI and experienced human player.
(1.33 Korean starting dev: 145, Formed Manchu dev: minimal 170 to maximum 217 (only counts independent Jurchen land in start))
(1.33 Starting Land force limit modifier: Korea-19, Formed Manchu-around 28)
Event options:
1. Maintaining as Ming's tributary: increase relationship with Ming and decerease it with Manchu.
Korea AI choose this option when Favors & Trust for Ming is very High. It makes sense because historically Korea got big help from Ming so they kept loyalty to Ming. If devs wanna make strong Manchu a lot then condition for this option has to be 100 Favors & Trust.
1-(1). If tributary system makes 100 favors & trusts stable, then Ming’s mandate condition can be added too. High Mandate means it has legitimacy to rule, in 100 favors & trusts situation if Ming’s mandate is low Korea will not choose option 1, but if mandate is high Korea will chiose option 1.
2. Become Manchu's tributary: Lower relationship between Ming-Korea. Increase relationship between Manchu-Korea.
If Option 1 and Option 3's condition is not fulfilled, AI always choose this option. If Manchu is tributary of Ming, it will get independent. And it makes Korea-Ming relationship & trust very low. If not, Korea will make alliance with Ming.
3. Become independence: Become independence while decreasing relationship with Ming & Manchu.
If Favors & Trust for Ming is not high but Korean development is very high, then they will choose to become independence. This option is like Burgundy choose independence in Burgundian inheritance event. I know Devs' try to make Korea not to Blob but they can get some lands at defensive war (in this case manchuria is united so korea can have lands at japan or elsewhere) or played tall a lot. Condition for development can be very high like over 300 if devs wanna make unified strong Manchu more. Maybe making this option to revoke inward perfection and makes Korea aggressive again will be nice idea too because it will be very rare situation.
In result, My point is this event is too forced for Korea in sandbox game where Trebizond, Albania can beat ottoman with allies and blob.
And also If devs are gonna change Manchu mission 'Invade Joseon' to requires make Korea as tributary too, then rewards it with temporary mandate bonus when korea is tributary seems nice. Slight buff to mandate Qing and also it reflects history. Chinese empire treated Korea & Vietnam as main tributary states.
Other Manchu mission 'Subjugate the Mongols' reward 'Mongol Banner' mercenary company seems impossible to use it. It has cavalry shock +1 but consists of infantry and cannon too and it even costs 10% more than other company. Any other mission reward company gives cheap company but it costs more. If devs wanna make us to use it expensive cannon has to be removed and make company more cheap. Actually this change has to be applied to any other company because it makes company too expensive including Black Army of Hungary. Because of artrillery and big size, it’s hard to use unique companys.
This event's current option for Korea is
1. Maintaining as Ming's tributary
2. Become Manchu's tributary
(AI choose this 100%, although it seems making tributary is not working in Beta when manchu is tributary & if manchu is independent, korea become Manchu’s tributary and makes alliance with Ming)
3. Become independence
I know Devs' objective is make Manchu AI strong, but current event option seems too forced. But I love this event's idea. So I want to suggest alternative.
First, let's talk about history. Option 1 was 'Historical' decision of Korea. Reason of this decision was because Ming helped Joseon dynasty at devastating war with Japan(1592) and Korean elites felt earnest gratitude for this. So Korean leadership chose to kept loyalty for Ming when Manchu rise and sent troops when Ming fought with Manchu(1619). At last Manchu attacked Korea twice(1627,1636) and made Korea as tributary. (There is more complexed story about more neutral diplomatic king's deposition but I will skip it.)
I know if Korean AI choose option 1 like history a lot then it doesn't fulfil our goal. So I think it has to be changed like this.
Event trigger condition:
1. Manchu is formed
2. Manchu has more number of Army than Korea
3. (1) Manchu is tributary of Ming & Manchu has at least 150 development & Ming's mandate is lower than 40
OR (2) Manchu is independent
Condition 2: Why Korea will choose to become Manchu's tributary when they are stronger than Manchu? Army condition prevents ridiculous situation like stronger Korea become tributary of weaker Manchu. But Manchu gets +20% Army limit because of horde government so it will be not hard to fulfil condition 2.
Condition 3: If independent Manchu is weak then Ming will attack Manchu anyway and beats easily. To prevent this situation, Condition 3-(1): when Manchu is tributary, stronger than Korea and has enough development, Ming’s mandate is low the Manchu will get independence and make Korea as tributary by this event's option 2. Because Ming's mandate is low, it will be more easy to survive. Ming will take celestial reform, so it will be not hard to see this situation. Condition 3-(2): I don’t think AI Manchu will survive in independence before it becomes strong. So it’s for already strong Manchu AI and experienced human player.
(1.33 Korean starting dev: 145, Formed Manchu dev: minimal 170 to maximum 217 (only counts independent Jurchen land in start))
(1.33 Starting Land force limit modifier: Korea-19, Formed Manchu-around 28)
Event options:
1. Maintaining as Ming's tributary: increase relationship with Ming and decerease it with Manchu.
Korea AI choose this option when Favors & Trust for Ming is very High. It makes sense because historically Korea got big help from Ming so they kept loyalty to Ming. If devs wanna make strong Manchu a lot then condition for this option has to be 100 Favors & Trust.
1-(1). If tributary system makes 100 favors & trusts stable, then Ming’s mandate condition can be added too. High Mandate means it has legitimacy to rule, in 100 favors & trusts situation if Ming’s mandate is low Korea will not choose option 1, but if mandate is high Korea will chiose option 1.
2. Become Manchu's tributary: Lower relationship between Ming-Korea. Increase relationship between Manchu-Korea.
If Option 1 and Option 3's condition is not fulfilled, AI always choose this option. If Manchu is tributary of Ming, it will get independent. And it makes Korea-Ming relationship & trust very low. If not, Korea will make alliance with Ming.
3. Become independence: Become independence while decreasing relationship with Ming & Manchu.
If Favors & Trust for Ming is not high but Korean development is very high, then they will choose to become independence. This option is like Burgundy choose independence in Burgundian inheritance event. I know Devs' try to make Korea not to Blob but they can get some lands at defensive war (in this case manchuria is united so korea can have lands at japan or elsewhere) or played tall a lot. Condition for development can be very high like over 300 if devs wanna make unified strong Manchu more. Maybe making this option to revoke inward perfection and makes Korea aggressive again will be nice idea too because it will be very rare situation.
In result, My point is this event is too forced for Korea in sandbox game where Trebizond, Albania can beat ottoman with allies and blob.
And also If devs are gonna change Manchu mission 'Invade Joseon' to requires make Korea as tributary too, then rewards it with temporary mandate bonus when korea is tributary seems nice. Slight buff to mandate Qing and also it reflects history. Chinese empire treated Korea & Vietnam as main tributary states.
Other Manchu mission 'Subjugate the Mongols' reward 'Mongol Banner' mercenary company seems impossible to use it. It has cavalry shock +1 but consists of infantry and cannon too and it even costs 10% more than other company. Any other mission reward company gives cheap company but it costs more. If devs wanna make us to use it expensive cannon has to be removed and make company more cheap. Actually this change has to be applied to any other company because it makes company too expensive including Black Army of Hungary. Because of artrillery and big size, it’s hard to use unique companys.
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