Also, magistrate upkeep doesn't take into account that large empires probably have a bureaucracy that is a teensy bit larger.
[Suggestion] Buildings with upkeep
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Yeh, but distance did matter back then... Administering Luxembourg was a teensy bit easier than Russia or the British Empire. There's a reason that all this viceroy & dominion stuff happened. Centers usually were a bit more developed and more well administered than peripheries...
I though you were looking for an alternate use for the magistrates, and I though repairing damaged infrstructures, as in MEIOU mod, would be good for them. Really, I don't see their points in many way, as I think there is not a lack of skilled people to help the government if you have the cash for it (Honestly I would even scrap diplomats), but if you remove the magistrates from the building creation, you should give them some task.
Yeh, I don't play MEIOU though (anybody want to buy me a new PC btw.?) so I was wondering how that mechanism works... and honestly still am.
Yeh, I don't play MEIOU though (anybody want to buy me a new PC btw.?) so I was wondering how that mechanism works... and honestly still am.
It works simply by adding by event some modifiers which are removable if you enact a provincial decision which cost a magistrate. The said decision either cost money (immediate repair) or lower the tax base of the province. (long repair)
Not really. There are tons of things the current system doesn't simulate at all, which is why there are mods like InExtenso.
Ok... how about the original suggestion? Including the update I added..
Why not implement bakers to produce bread and delivery boys to... deliver that bread to troops ?
No, seriously, I think the upkeep issue would complicate the whole game mechanic.
In the real case, buildings did cost upkeep. And in real case, there are more ways of income. The lack of these income counterbalance the lack of building upkeep.
That make things easier to manage without the game engine being totally irrelevant to the historical facts.
Furthermore, military power and building development are not inverserly proportional. Actually, the more your lands are developped, the more your armies are efficient and numerous, especially in feudal times.
No, seriously, I think the upkeep issue would complicate the whole game mechanic.
In the real case, buildings did cost upkeep. And in real case, there are more ways of income. The lack of these income counterbalance the lack of building upkeep.
That make things easier to manage without the game engine being totally irrelevant to the historical facts.
Furthermore, military power and building development are not inverserly proportional. Actually, the more your lands are developped, the more your armies are efficient and numerous, especially in feudal times.
No, you can't say that, this is just your opinion. And mine is different on that point.
Well, I increased gold and magistrate cost for level 3, 4, 5 and 6 building - something that works quite well imo.
While there is no upkeep per se, the tremendous cost of high level building prevents the player from just spamming them everywhere.
On the other hand, there is no bookkeeping involved if these buildings will pay off, which makes it much easier to determine your goals for province modernisation.
The idea about having upkeep cost is not really wrong, but I agree with other users here: I don't think it really benefits the gameplay.
While there is no upkeep per se, the tremendous cost of high level building prevents the player from just spamming them everywhere.
On the other hand, there is no bookkeeping involved if these buildings will pay off, which makes it much easier to determine your goals for province modernisation.
The idea about having upkeep cost is not really wrong, but I agree with other users here: I don't think it really benefits the gameplay.
First, the game represents developed provinces through population and base tax, not building. The in-game buildings represent more of the governmental & technological impacts on people's live.
More efficient and numerous army by developing the lands? No, the English longbow men didn't beat the French cavalry just because their lands are more developed, and Napoleon's French Empire is definitely not the most advanced nation at its time, not to mention the barbarians and hordes that steamrolled Europe several times. "Especially not in feudal times" is more accurate.
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Well, I was hoping the building upkeep can reduce the massive standing armies patrolling around the map, whether or not will it benefit the gameplay is something that has to be tested ingame. Perhaps something like prestige penalty for undeveloped home provinces will encourage the AI and human to focus on buildings rather than armies, but maybe this is something for my next suggestion.