Suggestion: allow reduction of war exhaustion below 2 and inflation below 2%

[Red John]

I don't agree with the setup either, but if they're going to use it this way it should at least be clear. I always thought the suggestions posted there were silly, but it turns out that was the intended practice. That's surprising despite that I have 3000+ posts here, and judging by the reaction of members of the community who have been here even longer, I'm not alone.

Yeah, I had no clue that you were supposed to suggest things in the Bug Report forum either.

Maybe a sticky, at the very least?

 

[RogerWilco]

Yeah, I had no clue that you were supposed to suggest things in the Bug Report forum either.

Maybe a sticky, at the very least?

I'm a developer myself, and can understand that bugs and feature requests get tracked in the same tool.

I still think that it's very counter intuitive to ask your users to put feature requests and suggestions in a bug report forum. They are very different things in the minds of users. Even as a developer, using issue tracking software myself, I would never have guessed.

 

[josh127]

Are we reading too much into this? My first reaction is the same as what's posted, but what I see posted in the dev diaries is fixes to issues brought up in the general discussion forum. I may be completely wrong, but my thought is that the community discussion is generally read by someone on the inside but if you want to guarantee it gets to the right hands, you should post your suggestion in bug reports.

Although, if that's the case, I do agree that it should be more intuitive. If nothing else just a name change to "Bug Reports and Enhancement Requests" would do.

I hope that people continue to post suggestions in the general discussion area, because constructive community discussion of those suggestions can add a lot of value, and based on dev diaries for WoN it does seem that there is reaction to at least some of the issues that have been discussed here.

 

[AndrewT]

You use a forum to make and track bug reports internally? That sounds horribly inefficient, but it perfectly explains why Paradox games are so horrifically buggy. You should have your producers look into some tracking software - even with a small team, it makes a huge difference.

We have and use bug tracking software, I'm not sure what makes you think otherwise.

It also concerns me that we're expected to post in 'bug reports' in order to get "anyone official's attention." If Paradox isn't reading any of their forums except for bug reports, then why are we posting anywhere but there? Especially when I know the developers do read threads in general and comment on suggestion/feedback posts. You might want to avoid giving the impression that Paradox doesn't read or care about feedback in general discussion, or you're simply going to drive posts to the 'new' place you claim the devs are paying attention to.

The post I originally responded to in this thread was written with the assumption that the devs would read it. The devs don't and could not read every post or even thread in this forum, they'd have no time to code. The job of the boys in the Bug Reports forum is to filter out repeats, poorly formatted reports and so on. Why this would be so much harder for Enhancement Requests I do not see. It seemed only polite to point out that if that person wanted to potentially get the suggestion to devs' attention, that was the best place to post it.

I've been in the games industry for almost 20 years, and most developers understand their fans enough and the fickle nature of their requests to want to keep actual, factual bug reports from hypothetical suggestions, regardless of how good or well written they are. The few times I've seen companies direct fans to the bug forums for suggestions, they quickly reverse course when they realize they've opened the floodgates and transformed their bug reports forum into 'general discussion part 2'.

But if this is Paradox's official policy, then 1) Good luck enforcing it and 2) Good luck with the fallout and cleanup! It will certainly be entertaining for those of us watching.

I don't understand why this is suddenly a shock or such a big deal, it's always been the case here for every game going back to EU2 at least. From where did people get the impression that the official policy was that enhancement requests be dealt with in the general discussion forum, and for EU4 only? Weird.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Not everyone here is from EU 2. Some of us have EU IV as first game. However, this is *not* standard practice on other forums, which have separate suggestion subforum, bug reports, STRATEGY, among other things. Suggestions + bug reports without even labeling it is neither standard nor intuitive.

 

[Kraxis]

Not everyone here is from EU 2. Some of us have EU IV as first game. However, this is *not* standard practice on other forums, which have separate suggestion subforum, bug reports, STRATEGY, among other things. Suggestions + bug reports without even labeling it is neither standard nor intuitive.

I have been here for a fair few years (longer than my profile indicates), and I knew nothing of the sort. So a sort of non-hidden away indication that this is how it works would be a benefit.

 

[Chieron]

Considering the enormous amount of suggestions in the general forum this is an interesting revelation. Posting suggestions in the bug reports forum is unintuitive (though using the same bug tracker for both is not). Bugs and Suggestions would be a better name, or two separate forums.
As for the suggestion: seconded. It does feel odd to intentionally increase WE to be able to reduce it :wacko:

 

[deathsheep221]

Does that mean that the quality of life thread was a waste of time since it was in general discussion? These kind of threads are good for the community and should have a sub-forum (Suggestions or the like).

 

[Jorlaan]

This would be good to have, I often want to reduce inflation but when I go to do it it has just slipped to like 1.97 and well that's it. I got no choice but to wait it out or pray for an event that only pushes it up by .5

 

[AchedTeacher]

Jeeze, I had no clue suggestions went in the bug thread, and browsing it frequently I rarely see any there. Anyway, I've suggested a suggestion subforum before, likely unbeknownst to me not read by the devs because it was in the general CK2 forum, not the bug reports. You can't look the other way at this one and defend this Paradox (or AndrewT), so many people had no clue you had to post suggestions in the bug subforum, and imo it would get flooded with suggestions then anyway.