Suggestion about new Army group system

[IceRain]

Hello every one.
I got the Waking the tiger DLC recently and played a full game. I love the improvement on Armies and Army groups. But I found two (but in general you can consider it as one, because it is all about same thing) small problems about it.

Now all armies under a army group will share the order from that army group. That is great and helped a lot. But there is a new problem, if you assign a new army to an army group, it will follow the order of that army group (like front-line) but the army group won't have a new line for it, it will be spend all over the old front line. Is that possible to automatically re-draw the front line to give a space for the new army?

In fact, i knew that re-draw the front-line may make some trouble because you may need to move all units around and that means you will lose your trench bonus and may left some open space for the enemy, but that will leave a red notice all over the place, That is very annoying. i really want to get rid of all that red marks.

And the same is the guard-zone, i you assign a guard-zone order to the army group, all army belongs to it will guard the zone. WITH those annoying red marks. When you playing some country with long coastline that will be terrible. you got red marks all over the coastline and have no way to remove them.

I was looking in the workshop trying to find a mod can remove those red marks. but seems it's not there. Please save those obsessive–compulsive like me.

 

[PAnZuRiEL]

If you want to divide up the frontline again, you can delete the existing frontline and reassign it to have the AI spread it out automatically.

 

[Redswingarcus]

Then you planning bonus is gone , if you must make a new battle plan.

If you want to divide up the frontline again, you can delete the existing frontline and reassign it to have the AI spread it out automatically.

And also the army groups will attack if it has assinged a frontline and ignores there generals batteplan. Yes i did not actived the Fieldmarshall battle plan but if units not fight the field marshall take over instead of let the general generate preparation of his battle plans.

 

[IceRain]

If you want to divide up the frontline again, you can delete the existing frontline and reassign it to have the AI spread it out automatically.

Yes i knew that, but as i said, it will make your army move around and lose all defensive bonuses. in tight situation it will be better to keep the old front line and let the new comers spread all over the line. —— and that will result in the annoying red marks all over the place.

Actually, what making me crazy is all those red marks, i don't really care how those units are organized, because it was unorganized in all old days.

 

[Vampiresoap]

I seriously don’t see why Paradox couldn’t just keep the old system. Like giving us the choice of putting a Field Marshall in charge of hundreds of divisions. Like, why add more unnecessary micro when you don’t have to?

 

[Grallak]

I seriously don’t see why Paradox couldn’t just keep the old system. Like giving us the choice of putting a Field Marshall in charge of hundreds of divisions. Like, why add more unnecessary micro when you don’t have to?

Got rekt as spain yesterday against the ai because said problem. Took to long to set up my army. And even there were wasn't any generals for me to assign all my groups too. Simply took too long and by then I died. I was playing in a mp too that helped aswell. Feels good. RIP field marshal.

 

[Lykanion]

if you assign a new army to an army group, it will follow the order of that army group (like front-line) but the army group won't have a new line for it, it will be spend all over the old front line. Is that possible to automatically re-draw the front line to give a space for the new army?

Behind the individual army front lines, there's a smaller line that depicts the Army Group front. If you assign an army to that, it will fit in a new army front. No need to delete the existing plans.

 

[IceRain]

Behind the individual army front lines, there's a smaller line that depicts the Army Group front. If you assign an army to that, it will fit in a new army front. No need to delete the existing plans.

Really? i will try that.

BTW, any idea about the garrison-zone settings? I really hate those red marks

 

[blue_yonder]

BTW, any idea about the garrison-zone settings? I really hate those red marks

I can't handle red exclamation marks either, but if you un-check all the 'guard-this' boxes, they get their gold shields and just sit passive wherever you put them.

 

[IceRain]

I can't handle red exclamation marks either, but if you un-check all the 'guard-this' boxes, they get their gold shields and just sit passive wherever you put them.

Ahhh
I was using them to guard the coast line. it will be horrible to do it on you own.

 

[Redswingarcus]

yeah only on main land, garrison they do some stupid travel from island to island and we be killed if you are not overpowered on the sea. Because to all the nayy battle cathch almost every transport ship because if they fight some were they get the whole region too.

Yes there was a exploit but now you can use garison option greater area of the island hopping travel and they wil be shoot like duck

 

[War_lord]

Ahhh
I was using them to guard the coast line. it will be horrible to do it on you own.

You only need to guard your ports, they can't land troops or resupply their invasion force without it.

 

[Redswingarcus]

True and not . They are also used for partisan hunt. Al my facteries always are destroyed of my big German reich. Dutch east indies, Singapore, India. to maybe i hope soon UK and USA.

 

[xXNightEagleXx]

I really don't understand most of the complaints. The command system is still not perfect but it has been improved a lot in this last update.

I bet some people simply add a new army (very far from the front line) to the army group , delete the old battleplan and create a new one only to expect the AI to do any miracle automatically.
Do you want to add a new army in the already existing front line? Just draw the line where you want it to fit, wait for them to take position and then add the army under the direct army group control and you are go to go (sometimes i have to deselect the army group and select it again to be properly visible on the map).

In the previous system, you had to constantly keep adjusting all overlaps that kept creating almost after each province captured. As matter of fact, this new system requires more initial setup but once set correctly it also requires way less control to maintain. I really cannot agree with those calling for increased micromanage, it is rather the opposite.

It seems that even a few clicks is being tagged as micromanagement so i'd suggest paradox to create a new gameplay mode where the player just controls the supply/economy/equipment, take decisions and in the worst scenario create war theater (wargoal) only to leave the AI do anything else.....a sort of HOI4 tycoon...

 

[Grallak]

I really don't understand most of the complaints. The command system is still not perfect but it has been improved a lot in this last update.

I bet some people simply add a new army (very far from the front line) to the army group , delete the old battleplan and create a new one only to expect the AI to do any miracle automatically.
Do you want to add a new army in the already existing front line? Just draw the line where you want it to fit, wait for them to take position and then add the army under the direct army group control and you are go to go (sometimes i have to deselect the army group and select it again to be properly visible on the map).

In the previous system, you had to constantly keep adjusting all overlaps that kept creating almost after each province captured. As matter of fact, this new system requires more initial setup but once set correctly it also requires way less control to maintain. I really cannot agree with those calling for increased micromanage, it is rather the opposite.

It seems that even a few clicks is being tagged as micromanagement so i'd suggest paradox to create a new gameplay mode where the player just controls the supply/economy/equipment, take decisions and in the worst scenario create war theater (wargoal) only to leave the AI do anything else.....a sort of HOI4 tycoon...

Because in a MP you might not have that time. I am not against the system; I too believe it's an improvement. That said, removing the field marshal causes it to take much longer if I just want a basic front line right away, and that can be really annoying during civil wars unless you pause the game. Another way I can see this being annoying is if you are playing as the soviet union and you might accidently click on more than one army groups. I'd just like to have the ability to quickly assign my men, thank you.

 

[Shaka of Carthage]

Because in a MP you might not have that time. I am not against the system; I too believe it's an improvement. That said, removing the field marshal causes it to take much longer if I just want a basic front line right away,

But isn't that kinda of the point? Once the war starts, trying to rearrange your HQ's while under attack is counterproductive. You need to wait for a pause in the conflict to do reorganizations.

 

[Grallak]

But isn't that kinda of the point? Once the war starts, trying to rearrange your HQ's while under attack is counterproductive. You need to wait for a pause in the conflict to do reorganizations.

No, because I immediately want to remove the battle planner and organize them individually because they still lol shuffle if you don't have enough of them to fill the front, especially if the allied ai shows up to. It's an improvement for sure, but I prefer handling my troops myself. I am the one in charge after all.

 

[IceRain]

I really don't understand most of the complaints. The command system is still not perfect but it has been improved a lot in this last update.

I bet some people simply add a new army (very far from the front line) to the army group , delete the old battleplan and create a new one only to expect the AI to do any miracle automatically.
Do you want to add a new army in the already existing front line? Just draw the line where you want it to fit, wait for them to take position and then add the army under the direct army group control and you are go to go (sometimes i have to deselect the army group and select it again to be properly visible on the map).

In the previous system, you had to constantly keep adjusting all overlaps that kept creating almost after each province captured. As matter of fact, this new system requires more initial setup but once set correctly it also requires way less control to maintain. I really cannot agree with those calling for increased micromanage, it is rather the opposite.

It seems that even a few clicks is being tagged as micromanagement so i'd suggest paradox to create a new gameplay mode where the player just controls the supply/economy/equipment, take decisions and in the worst scenario create war theater (wargoal) only to leave the AI do anything else.....a sort of HOI4 tycoon...

No i do love the new Army group system. And appreciate all those great improvement, that really helpful.
I just get crazy about those red marks when making garrisons. I just don't want to have a look at my coast line, it was making me crazy.

 

[SeekTruthFromFx]

The beta has a new feature where if you right-click on the Field Marshal, divisions assigned to the Army Group but not to an Army are auto-assigned to an Army. (I hope I've explained that right, as I haven't tested it yet). This wouldn't necessarily solve the OP's problem (e.g. If their existing Armies have reached the div cap), but might be useful info for other readers.