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SigurdStormhand

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Well, Counts recieve no Tech Point progression, so their holdings will stop being upgraded after a while. Aside from that, the more vassals you have the more there are to join plots against you. Likewise, if you can keep one or two Dukes out of factions by keeping them loyal with gifts and your chancellor that will seriously blunt factions.

On the other hand, creating Dukes will reduce your maximum income and levies, though over time that's offset by tech progression.

Creating a vassal Merchant Republic with a member of your Dynasty is a good idea though, the Doge will pay a lot in taxes, his levy will include lots of ships and because Doges are elected they tend to make highly skilled Council Members.

As to having a Duchy of your own - that ensures you'll hold onto a portion of your power even if you lose the Kingdom to a faction. It also increases the rate at which you generate prestige, which can be useful for a number of things, including impressing your vassals.

Never create Duke who have a Demesne more than 50% the size of yours, though.
 

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Yeah, I'll try to make a balance between having too many weak vassals and too few strong dukes. I'm holding off on creating titles so my heir can get a prestige and opinion boost from the dukes when he gets into power.

As for creating a Merchant Republic, that seems like a good idea. Should I try to do it with a county with two cities and a guy with high stewardship or is it irrelevant?

By the way, something happened that I didn't quite understand. My mother dies and I gained claims to the Kingdom of Castille, Léon and Gallicia. I claimed Castille because it was the biggest. As it happens, I only got 4 of the 9 counties in question. 4 vassals were transfered to me, the Queen of Castille and Léon kept 3 counties including the Capital I attacked and 2 vassals just didn't want to come I guess. What's up with that? Below are some pictures for context.

 

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She is Queen of Leon, so she kept all her lower titles, including counties in your de-jure territory.

Yeah. I get that now. I was just confused because I didn't understand why her two vassals didn't come with me. Turns out, they were part of the Kingdom of Castille but not part of the De Jure Kingdom of Castille. If I knew what I know now, I'd have gone for Léon.
 

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Oh, that's unfortunate - you should have hit "press all claims" if you had claims on all her Kingdoms, they you would have wiped her out.

More to the point, you'd have enough De Jure to create Hispania.

This is one of those few instances when I'd suggest breaking the truce to get the last two Kingdoms, then creating the Empire.
 
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Oh, that's unfortunate - you should have hit "press all claims" if you had claims on all her Kingdoms, they you would have wiped her out.

I went to check on an old save and didn't have the option "press all claims".

More to the point, you'd have enough De Jure to create Hispania. This is one of those few instances when I'd suggest breaking the truce to get the last two Kingdoms, then creating the Empire.

I already can create an empire. I don't know if I should. What are the advantages vs disadvantages? I already have 3 kingdoms, can usurp one and create even more. I know I could get more prestige but don't want my vassals getting too powerful or starting to desire my Kingdoms, nor making my succession too bothersome since I have gavelkind. I can only see a reason to create the Empire: I'll need the CB to conquer Aragon.
 

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I already can create an empire. I don't know if I should. What are the advantages vs disadvantages? I already have 3 kingdoms, can usurp one and create even more. I could get more prestige but don't want my vassals getting too powerful, nor making my succession too bothersome since I have gavelkind.
Multiple kingdoms with gavelkind means your realm will split apart when you die (unless you only have one son). Creating an empire prevents that. (Eldest son will be an emperor, younger ones will be vassal kings.)
 

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Multiple kingdoms with gavelkind means your realm will split apart when you die (unless you only have one son). Creating an empire prevents that. (Eldest son will be an emperor, younger ones will be vassal kings.)

Yes but right now I only have one son and one (genius) grandson so for now I'm okay. Is destroying the King titles an option or would they create them for themselves and get independence which is even worse?

What are other pros / cons of creating more titles?
 

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Yes but right now I only have one son and one (genius) grandson so for now I'm okay. Is destroying the King titles an option or would they create them for themselves and get independence which is even worse?
Gavelkind prevents you from destroying titles. As far as I'm aware you can't get independence by creating titles, though.
 

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Gavelkind prevents you from destroying titles. As far as I'm aware you can't get independence by creating titles, though.

I thought if you were a Duke, your liege is a King and you create a King title, you'd gain independence. Not sure though.

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I have so many titles I can create - Empire, more Kingdoms, so many Duchies - that I'm having some difficulty seeing what's the best course of action.
 

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Just wanted to give some follow through to this topic: I'm Emperor of Hispania!

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Thanks! I'm going for Holy Wars in the South now. The Aragon and Barcelona territories in the northeast still bother me though. I want ALL of Hispania. Conquering county by county trough De Jure claims is a pain though.

If you can get 51& of those Kingdoms you can usurp them, at that point the vassals of the former King should agree to be your vassals, because you're an Emperor, they're counts and you're their de Jure liege.

speeds things up wonderfully.
 

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If you're below the limit there's not exactly a rush, but one very simple rule of thumb to keep in mind always is that it's easier to manage a few vassals rather than many. Would you rather have to bribe and manage the opinion of a dozen individual counts or a couple of dukes? It's sort of a trade-off between power and ease of management, but it's a trade-off you'll have to make sooner or later as you expand.
In addition to this I tend to find that counts more readily join and start factions, not sure if it's a genuine game play thing though or just an artefact in my observations.
 

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I thought if you were a Duke, your liege is a King and you create a King title, you'd gain independence. Not sure though.

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I have so many titles I can create - Empire, more Kingdoms, so many Duchies - that I'm having some difficulty seeing what's the best course of action.
There are two big reasons to create an empire title, the first is that you can land people who have claims to kingdoms and if you press their claim they will become your vassal king, so you could for example take all of France in one war. The second is that laws permitting you can create king viceroys, that is kings whose title reverts to you when they die. King viceroys are very easy to control, they love you because you granted them a lot of land which means they will never join a faction and if you picked a character who was sufficiently old they will die before they lose the opinion boost from the title grant.