I started a thread on this in the main discussion section. Here is a link to that thread.
- I am playing as Kingdom of Sicily, after starting as the Duchy of Apulia, and the year was about 1127-1128.
- I had declared war on Tripolitania (spp.) when a count (Richard d'Hautville - same family as my king) of mine in Girgenti declared war against me. The save I will include has the icon to say Girgenti may revolt.
- When he revolted I was actually deep in to sieging a territory so I left it a while to respond, but I don't think that is important.
- The fact of the matter is that my king (Roger the Cruel) died during the war against Girgenti. I was ruling under Agnatic-Cognatic Elective law and his son, Prince Roger d'Hautville, succeeded to the throne.
- When peace was accepted between Roger and Richard it caused Richard to be thrown in jail. The vassals did not appear to object to that. I then did what I would normally do to a count or duke imprisoned due to an act of treason. I tried to revoke his title. That caused my vassals to object and I was told I would lose 20 approval with each one. I ended up regaining the approval by releasing Richard.
- I just wonder if there is a problem here. Richard commited an act of treason against both Roger the Cruel, the Kingdom of Sicily and the d'Hautville family. Whether or not there was a succession midway through the war against the traitor, the vassals still should have recognised that he was a traitor and that is why his title was revoked. I think that perhaps the succession changed parameters within the game so that the act against Roger the Cruel was replaced with there being no act of treason. I hope that makes sense. It may be working as intended but I think that there is a case for the man still being recognised as a traitor.
- I actually ran the game through again from the save I will include. The rebellion in Girgenti happened as per the original run through but Roger the Cruel did not die. Richard was imprisoned and I revoked his title with no outcry from the vassals. They recognised him as a traitor.
The save I will include starts in January 1127 and it is the closest one I have to the rebellion by Richard. That rebellion should start around 1127-28. I have another save that shows the succession date for the new count being July 1128 and it probably took me 6 months to remove Richard.
If you run the save the rebellion should happen but I guess it would be a random factor as to whether King Roger dies durring the rebellion. I expect you have dev commands that you can use to kill the King and test the effect of that event on the opinion of the vassals.
I really think that this is an unintended outcome from the king dieing mid-war. Surely the vassals would still recognise him as a traitor regardless of whether it was father or son that revoked his titles.
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- I am playing as Kingdom of Sicily, after starting as the Duchy of Apulia, and the year was about 1127-1128.
- I had declared war on Tripolitania (spp.) when a count (Richard d'Hautville - same family as my king) of mine in Girgenti declared war against me. The save I will include has the icon to say Girgenti may revolt.
- When he revolted I was actually deep in to sieging a territory so I left it a while to respond, but I don't think that is important.
- The fact of the matter is that my king (Roger the Cruel) died during the war against Girgenti. I was ruling under Agnatic-Cognatic Elective law and his son, Prince Roger d'Hautville, succeeded to the throne.
- When peace was accepted between Roger and Richard it caused Richard to be thrown in jail. The vassals did not appear to object to that. I then did what I would normally do to a count or duke imprisoned due to an act of treason. I tried to revoke his title. That caused my vassals to object and I was told I would lose 20 approval with each one. I ended up regaining the approval by releasing Richard.
- I just wonder if there is a problem here. Richard commited an act of treason against both Roger the Cruel, the Kingdom of Sicily and the d'Hautville family. Whether or not there was a succession midway through the war against the traitor, the vassals still should have recognised that he was a traitor and that is why his title was revoked. I think that perhaps the succession changed parameters within the game so that the act against Roger the Cruel was replaced with there being no act of treason. I hope that makes sense. It may be working as intended but I think that there is a case for the man still being recognised as a traitor.
- I actually ran the game through again from the save I will include. The rebellion in Girgenti happened as per the original run through but Roger the Cruel did not die. Richard was imprisoned and I revoked his title with no outcry from the vassals. They recognised him as a traitor.
The save I will include starts in January 1127 and it is the closest one I have to the rebellion by Richard. That rebellion should start around 1127-28. I have another save that shows the succession date for the new count being July 1128 and it probably took me 6 months to remove Richard.
If you run the save the rebellion should happen but I guess it would be a random factor as to whether King Roger dies durring the rebellion. I expect you have dev commands that you can use to kill the King and test the effect of that event on the opinion of the vassals.
I really think that this is an unintended outcome from the king dieing mid-war. Surely the vassals would still recognise him as a traitor regardless of whether it was father or son that revoked his titles.
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