Succession law changes

[Stigandr]

Hi all,

Having just recently reformed from a tribal state to a feudal one, I'd like to get rid of gavelkind, and move either to feudal elective or primogeniture. However, each time I try, 5 or 6 out of my 8 relevant vassals vote no, even some of those who have a +100 opinion of me. How do I persuade them to accept the law change?

Thanks!

 

[LordPeter]

Hi all,

Having just recently reformed from a tribal state to a feudal one, I'd like to get rid of gavelkind, and move either to feudal elective or primogeniture. However, each time I try, 5 or 6 out of my 8 relevant vassals vote no, even some of those who have a +100 opinion of me. How do I persuade them to accept the law change?

Thanks!

Huh?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought succession laws didn't need vassals approving them? Unless switching from Elective, that is.

 

[Rylock]

Huh?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought succession laws didn't need vassals approving them? Unless switching from Elective, that is.

If you're switching from Elective Gavelkind, you'll need a vote...which I assume is what he's doing.

Insofar as the voting goes, it varies according to the nature of the change -- but let's say we're looking at going to Feudal Elective:

• Base chance of a "yes" vote: 43%
• x0.01 if the ruler is your current heir
  
• x0.5 if the ruler is in the Tradition faction.
• x0.5 if the ruler is not part of your realm.
• x0.5 if the ruler is your dynasty.
• x2.5 if the ruler is NOT of your dynasty (they like feudal elective)
  
• x0.5 if you have Autonomous or Low CA
• x2 if you have High or Absolute CA
• x10 if the ruler has 100 opinion of you
• x5 if the ruler has 75+ opinion of you
• x2 if the ruler has 50+ opinion of you
• x0.5 if the ruler has 25 or less opinion of you
• x0.01 if the ruler has 0 or less opinion of you

So, as you can see, having a high opinion is almost essential (those positive factors are cumulative) -- particularly if you have other negative factors.

The exact conditions could probably use some tweaking (these were done a LONG time ago, and are pretty standard across the various types with some minor tweaks between them), but that's what it currently is.

 

[Stigandr]

Yep, switching from elective gavelkind, since I'm just coming out of tribalism. Ah ok, so it doesn't help that I'm on low CA - I'm still on the first king to reform the Finnic faith and go feudal, so Low is as high as I can go without him dying and the realm fragmenting between his kids. Clearly I still need to do some more winning over. Thanks for the responses!