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I have had some problems with succession working properly since conclave.
1. When I have primogeniture succession, my oldest son is my heir.....until the second oldest son turns 16, whereupon he becomes my heir, and so on with the following sons. So I tried switching to Seniority where
2. In seniority, the oldest member of my dynasty is my heir. However if I have a son or brother who turns 16, he then becomes my heir.
Very frustrating. I can't be the only one with this problem.
 

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I can't speak for those two, but in elective succession, I have noticed every time I load my game, it clears my elective succession vote and I have to re-vote for my preferred candidate again. Actually, it looks like everyone's votes get reset, not just mine. With this in mind, one way to game the system if you don't like what other AI's have voted is try reloading your game to clear the votes and see if the AI rolls with their same candidates after the reload.

Regardless of gaming it, elective is better anyways so I never bother with primo or seniority anyways.
 

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I have had some problems with succession working properly since conclave.
1. When I have primogeniture succession, my oldest son is my heir.....until the second oldest son turns 16, whereupon he becomes my heir, and so on with the following sons. So I tried switching to Seniority where
2. In seniority, the oldest member of my dynasty is my heir. However if I have a son or brother who turns 16, he then becomes my heir.
Very frustrating. I can't be the only one with this problem.

If you are catholic look in the religion tab if one of you dynasty members will become bishop. Maybe you eldest son went to a holy order and become disqualified from succession.
I can't speak for those two, but in elective succession, I have noticed every time I load my game, it clears my elective succession vote and I have to re-vote for my preferred candidate again. Actually, it looks like everyone's votes get reset, not just mine. With this in mind, one way to game the system if you don't like what other AI's have voted is try reloading your game to clear the votes and see if the AI rolls with their same candidates after the reload.

Regardless of gaming it, elective is better anyways so I never bother with primo or seniority anyways.
This is a known bug I think.
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...hanges-without-my-input.930401/#post-21307047
Regardless of gaming it, elective is better anyways so I never bother with primo or seniority anyways.
I personal don't use elective anymore since 2.5 because it got much harder to get the right person on the throne.
 

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Sounds like a bug to me. Can you upload saves from when you had primogeniture and seniority? I can load them and see if I get the same problem.
 

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You could try dropbox or some other online storage service.

Before you do that though, do you by chance have multiple kingdoms or higher titles? And if you do, does one of them by chance have ultimogeniture succession?
 

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I personal don't use elective anymore since 2.5 because it got much harder to get the right person on the throne.

I usually don't have problems with it, but only if you can get it to work to your advantage. There's several things I do:

1.) If there's a candidate with enough votes you like, and if you're depressed, then commit suicide! Do it before someone changes their mind.

2.) Revoke a title from an unhappy vassal to steal a vote from them (assuming they have only one demesne). It gives about -15 vassal opinion, but I find it's not enough to sway other votes away from your successor.

3.) Content characters are more willing to vote for your chosen successor, since they naturally will have high opinion of you. This means giving titles to mostly Content characters is best; however, ambitious characters aren't necessarily bad either, because they'll tend to vote for themselves, meaning they're not as likely to be deciding votes, since they'll waste one vote on themselves, even if no one else votes for them.

4.) Have all landed characters be dynasty members, so no matter who gets voted in, you'll control the ruler. If a character you hate wins the election, find a way to get him or her killed off asap. Have him lead armies, regardless of his military skill. Ignore assassination plots against you. Pursue depression acquiring events, such as Stewardship focus and the Falconer event. Definitely revoke a title or two with this character, so people hate you more, to increase the plot power against you. Assign a Spymaster to your Council who hates you.

5.) If a character you hate is winning, either Spy on them to spread false rumors, find an excuse to imprison them in the oubliette (-10 diplomacy may convince others to stop voting for him, while the -1 health might kill him off so you won't have to), or assassinate them. Keep in mind if they're a dynasty member, you'll become a Kinslayer, so assassination isn't recommended. If you can't perform these actions on the leading candidate, instead, target the people supporting the candidate.

6.) People are more likely to vote for your candidate if you're well-liked. This requires all my leaders to have high diplomacy and lots of carousing (I like to rush for its diplomacy lifestyle trait). I love the Attractive trait on female rulers for the flat +30 attraction modifier towards all males, making espionage missions easier, since it's mostly men that drive the engine. Furthermore, striving for rulers with high diplomacy makes it easier to get them elected anyways, because it's high diplomacy leaders who are more liked by their peers, resulting in more votes for them.

7.) If all else fails, force a succession law change to something giving your chosen heir the keys to the kingdom. You can always switch back to Elective once that ruler has governed for enough years. Problem is you'll get opinion penalties for succession changes, but your citizens will just have to deal with it.
 
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