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Ive noticed the issue of judging victory has come up on the forum again. There was a time when I thought designing an official victory system was a good idea. Now I favour the ‘play for fun’ mentality. I just thought id write about the personal goals people set for themselves and how this affects their playing style. Weve had posts like this before of course. That is posts referring to different categories of players, and posts referring to the different measurements of success. Ive made this one to tie the two together. That is, how different types of player, judge success.

The war Mongerer – This type plays for the thrill of war. He is likely to DOW for little, or no reason, and judges success on his performance of his fighting. Although many players of this type do not ‘like to loose’, they will usually enjoy a fight regardless. They have a particular hate of gangbangers and the ‘UN’ mentality of some gamers. A war mongerer is often an experienced gamer and they favour nations with good leaders and manpower.

The expansionist – Plays with a fairly balanced style. He likes nothing more than to expand his borders as much as he can. Often regardless of whether these provinces are actually good for his economy. He plays with a traditional style of wargaming and favours colonial or large land nations. He measures success mainly in terms of size and will DOW only to further these aims. He may also tend to loose his temper when having to give up lots of territory in a war. This type of gamer is partial to a gang bang but will often be on the receiving end also as he is perceived as a threat to other gamers. Many noob players start out as an expansionist.

The perfectionist – This type of player loves to push his nation to the limit. He often has an excellent understanding of the rules and plays with the aim of improving on his previous achievements. He is perhaps slightly less competitive than other player types as he judges success from inner perfection rather than on other nations. Having said this if he will likely feel threatened from other perfectionist players who are doing better. Economy, bit most of all tech, are his measures of success.

The role player – This type of player is rare by itself. It tends to be a secondary trait along with one of the other mentioned above. They tend to have no victory conditions as such but instead judge a games success on its theme, story and player interaction. They tend to loose their temper when other players don’t get into the spirit of role playing as they see it.

The diplomat – Again this type of player is rare by itself. It tends to be a secondary trait also. The diplomat spends a lot of time using the chat function to further his aims. He will often also use the forum but in a different way. That is to use propaganda and to put across his ‘side of the story’. The diplomat often takes great pleasure in manipulating the game to suite his goals and can loose his temper where players react in what he sees as an illogical manner. The diplomat can be known to be rather sneaky with the chat log 

Below ive listed some players that I play with, and what I think they are. Feel free to correct me 

Cheech – Expansionist/diplomat/Role player
Drake – perfectionist/diplomat
Dago – War mongerer/expansionist
King John – War mongerer
Devil – Perfectionist/diplomat
Tonio – perfectionist
HAL – expansionist
Bocaj – perfectionist
Fredrik – expansionist
 

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Lots of essays these days indeed :D

I was almost afraid wenn i glansed over your paper that there was no economist, but ill go for the perfectionist then , with a large fries , a coke and a small piece of RP please.

Especially that last sentence was striking "Economy, bit most of all tech, are his measures of success." right in the hart :rolleyes:
 

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we all have those qualities, some would prefer to exploit others more, but never use to discard anyone of those, let's say we have preferences.
 
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Perfectionist/Diplomat

Lately I have been adding warmonger to my repetoire. I have been waging wars increasingly as tests of my ability, pushing my skill level up, trying new tactics and stuff. So I guess you could throw that in too.


I am also sad there is no economist.
 

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cheech said:
Cheech – Expansionist/diplomat/Role player
Drake – perfectionist/diplomat
Dago – War mongerer/expansionist
King John – War mongerer
Devil – Perfectionist/diplomat
Tonio – perfectionist
HAL – expansionist
Bocaj – perfectionist
Fredrik – expansionist

Damn you're good. :D
 

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I think i am a diplomat also nowadays. I've been much better at it lately and i do use the chat log quite alot now :rolleyes:
But i'm defenetly a pure expansionist also by your definition with one exception tho, i never ever loose my temper :p
you're very good to read players Cheech. :)
Bocaj is a perfect example of an perfectionist (I think Hive is to), KJ as a warmonger, duke as a diplomat, barnius as a RP player and me as an expansionist. :)
 

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i'd add warmonger to devils list to

btw nice essay
owen ect i do think its a idea to make a list of what the players you play with are like no sayng about yourself as it tends be be biased(no offense but in general)
 
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nice essay cheech
about the players u mentioned,i d add at KJ also RP player
he usually becomes warmongerer for the good of the BOP
and RP players are usually good diplomats too
Fred is also warmongerer imho

btw,apart the preferences for single players,RP and expansionists players tend anyway to be in the large group of the gangers
is difficult that a warmonger player wins a game,even if he surely achieves some nice and heoric actions
usually games are won by perfectionists with a rather good diplomatic inclination,and naturally good military skills
 
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Good descriptions :). The players are categorized pretty accurately too IMO. It would be fun to take this one step further and try to categorize every player possible. It might be good for noobs too :) . They could look up everyone and have some idea about the players they're dealing with.

Dago is right. I am a bit of a balance freak, and roleplayer/diplomat(not always though ;)).

BTW, perhaps balancer should be another category :) .
 

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i meaned RP player as balancer

anyway,try category every player is good idea,for noobs and not only.i dont know every player,for example,and it could be useful also for me

even if,a lot depends on which country r u going to play
i dont think that,in Tuesday game,i ll make the same policy of Poland,now as NL :p
 

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Dago said:
btw,apart the preferences for single players,RP and expansionists players tend anyway to be in the large group of the gangers
is difficult that a warmonger player wins a game,even if he surely achieves some nice and heoric actions
usually games are won by perfectionists with a rather good diplomatic inclination,and naturally good military skills

Indeed. In order for a warmonger to have enough wars to get their "buzz", they have to sacrifice the health of their country. Diplomacy and economics go down, decreasing the longterm power of their country.
 

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about category players,we could use the same system of EU2 monarchs
Diplomatics skill,admin and military
min 1 max 10 points
in diplomatic skill,ur have skills for be diplomat,and a good balancer
in admin,every thing related at economy,and trade and tech also (edit : colonization also)
military,beh

i call 1 4 8 :rofl:
 

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Dago said:
about category players,we could use the same system of EU2 monarchs
Diplomatics skill,admin and military
min 1 max 10 points
in diplomatic skill,ur have skills for be diplomat,and a good balancer
in admin,every thing related at economy,and trade and tech also
military,beh

i call 1 4 8 :rofl:

That's very subjective mind you.
 

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Yeah, it is fun :). You should start another thread for that ;) . Any kind of judgement we can make about each other is subjective, so why bother worrying about it? The only thing is, I wouldn't want to rate myself.

That being said, I think you're pretty accurate there, Dago :).
 

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That being said, I think you're pretty accurate there, Dago :).

Yeah I reckon that evaluation of himself was pretty bang-on.