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any idear when this will be released?

Late december or january given by how long it takes me to find an hour or so to work on this.
 
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I appreciate you taking the time to do this. It's really going to be a huge addition for me, and i'm sure everyone else feels the same. Thanks, really. This is going to be a game changer.
 

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I've Playing around with this. Yes its hard find historical info on who had owned or ruled certain counties during that time period. Part of the issue is the Tribes. The only information I can get is what Tribe held that land no info on its leaders. So I create a A-Historic leader with The Tribe name that is Historic. And have them hold there indigenous lands. (Which could be several counties but starting out as a chief rank in less the Tribe had a High Chief then giving Him the rank of duke.

Part of Issue with HIP is that a lot of those didn't exist in 769 or 867 most were created around 1000ad -1200ad (Example Ireland County's some Norse creations around 900 Ad. Scotland; HIP has counties there named after city's but city's are not activated. some even later outside the scope time period of CK2 such as Aberdeen around 1400Ad. Example Glasgow formed around 400ad became a city in 480AD under one of the Pictish Kings. Country of Inverses was named after the city around 1000ad. Inverses is Moray in 769 and 867 and the county splits to accommodate the city. Technically St. Andrews is in Fife in 769 under a different name (Scottish-Gaelic-Meaning the "Kings Land") founded 747ad. Rebuild after Scotland becomes Anglo to ST. Andrews.
Portmahomack 550ad (Ross) Destroyed in 800 ad by Viking Raiders)
The ones in Ireland are even older.
Dublin has been a City since who knows. early Records 140ad Slave Trade with Romans and Greeks. 460ad The land were the County Dublin sits one of The Elba Kings bought the land Plotted it out so the city could grow even more.
Scotland and Ireland were emerging society's lintel the Norse showed up. As game play from 769 start date when 867 triggers the new CBs Alba and Ireland should get hit pretty hard triggering more PI and conquest from Jarls (Dukes) in Norway and Denmark. (there are no Kings yet for the Norse.
This is just one region of History Good god man. You have each region on the map for History.
Just to Plot out Ireland , England , Scotland took me a week . I really dont know how to Mod either. So Its all a leaning process.
 
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Anther Issue ive come across that most Counts in the Karling system of government were not Hereditary Title so it almost Impossible to find out who owned or held the Deed the land as a count or viscount since the land wasn't pass to there children. Counts in those days were a lot like Barons they were a One generation Tenant=landlord . The Land going back to Royal Domain or the Duke over the land. Only those with Royal-Blood or Connection through marriage and even adoption or granted "dukedom" by the Pope had hereditary titles. So Truly from game stand point .Im not to concern with counts or barons at the 769 start.
 
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Anther Issue ive come across that most Counts in the Karling system of government were not Hereditary Title so it almost Impossible to find out who owned or held the Deed the land as a count or viscount since the land wasn't pass to there children. Counts in those days were a lot like Barons they were a One generation Tenant=landlord . The Land going back to Royal Domain or the Duke over the land. Only those with Royal-Blood or Connection through marriage and even adoption or granted "dukedom" by the Pope had hereditary titles. So Truly from game stand point .Im not to concern with counts or barons at the 769 start.
Norway should have this system developed during viking age or begining of the High Medieval Age, never truly adopted feudalism. Believe also some other countries did have this before adopting Feudalims.
 

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Although the issue of title inheritance is valid indeed, exin is focusing solely on getting the history done for 769. He isn't doing anything to core mechanics, such as title inheritance

So you are both wasting your time by discussing this.
 
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Although the issue of title inheritance is valid indeed, exin is focusing solely on getting the history done for 769. He isn't doing anything to core mechanics, such as title inheritance

So you are both wasting your time by discussing this.

My words exactly. I am purely working on getting the bookmark playable. Anything else is left to the awesome HIP dev teams if they wish to tackle such mechanics.
 
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Norway should have this system developed during viking age or begining of the High Medieval Age, never truly adopted feudalism. Believe also some other countries did have this before adopting Feudalims.

Technically, yes. This is true of Poland as well. However this in game terms means more "landowners weren't called dukes" then any actual changes to mechanics. Both of them were feudal in the sense of "landowners holding peasants owing obligations to a monarch or larger landowner".
 

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Although the issue of title inheritance is valid indeed, exin is focusing solely on getting the history done for 769. He isn't doing anything to core mechanics, such as title inheritance

So you are both wasting your time by discussing this.
So having Conversation about history is against the rules? Who made you the POPE????
 
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So having Conversation about history is against the rules? Who made you the POPE????
Easy now, he made some points. You can post the ideas in the EMF thread there it is more relevant.

Technically, yes. This is true of Poland as well. However this in game terms means more "landowners weren't called dukes" then any actual changes to mechanics. Both of them were feudal in the sense of "landowners holding peasants owing obligations to a monarch or larger landowner".

But does it not mean that count's would not inherrit titles? I know that in Norway nobles were granted the title lendmann (count) by the kings. If Lendmannen died a new one would be picked amongst the local nobled to run the county. Mechanical it would be quite different and i'm not sure if it's even achievable.

As game play from 769 start date when 867 triggers the new CBs Alba and Ireland should get hit pretty hard triggering more PI and conquest from Jarls (Dukes) in Norway and Denmark.
Could just say Norway, they did most of the raiding on Pictland and Ireland while Denmark where active in France and England. However would like the idea that the norsemen had a trigger where they began conquest of the Isles in the late 700. Rarely seen in vanilla.
 

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Easy now, he made some points. You can post the ideas in the EMF thread there it is more relevant.



But does it not mean that count's would not inherrit titles? I know that in Norway nobles were granted the title lendmann (count) by the kings. If Lendmannen died a new one would be picked amongst the local nobled to run the county. Mechanical it would be quite different and i'm not sure if it's even achievable.


Could just say Norway, they did most of the raiding on Pictland and Ireland while Denmark where active in France and England. However would like the idea that the norsemen had a trigger where they began conquest of the Isles in the late 700. Rarely seen in vanilla.

Yes the Norway system would have been different Because they didn't have the Karling or the Papacy influence. So Each region of the map would have different Laws and History. I think I mention that and if I didnt I will clarify it here. Anglo-Saxon England would have been different till 1066
 

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Easy now, he made some points. You can post the ideas in the EMF thread there it is more relevant.



But does it not mean that count's would not inherrit titles? I know that in Norway nobles were granted the title lendmann (count) by the kings. If Lendmannen died a new one would be picked amongst the local nobled to run the county. Mechanical it would be quite different and i'm not sure if it's even achievable.


Could just say Norway, they did most of the raiding on Pictland and Ireland while Denmark where active in France and England. However would like the idea that the norsemen had a trigger where they began conquest of the Isles in the late 700. Rarely seen in vanilla.

The Norse Conquered most if not all the East Irish coast line . The Name of country's in the HIP map are Norse creation they not Irish. Example Wexford (Germanic) Not Gaelic.
 

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The Norse Conquered most if not all the East Irish coast line . The Name of country's in the HIP map are Norse creation they not Irish. Example Wexford (Germanic) Not Gaelic.
it might be simply because the SWMH map for HIP is designed around the original CK2 timeline, that it 11th-15th century and, as the SWMH team has clearly stated bazzilion times, the further you get from this time, the less correct you are. SWMH map never had the ambition and never claimed to be fitting 867 start date.
[answering not only this particular post but also your other rubbish/nitpicking about HIP/SWMH not being historical]
 
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it might be simply because the SWMH map for HIP is designed around the original CK2 timeline, that it 11th-15th century and, as the SWMH team has clearly stated bazzilion times, the further you get from this time, the less correct you are. SWMH map never had the ambition and never claimed to be fitting 867 start date.
[answering not only this particular post but also your other rubbish/nitpicking about HIP/SWMH not being historical]
Agreed, just Dylfinn and Wexford should be norse in 867.
 

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But does it not mean that count's would not inherrit titles? I know that in Norway nobles were granted the title lendmann (count) by the kings. If Lendmannen died a new one would be picked amongst the local nobled to run the county. Mechanical it would be quite different and i'm not sure if it's even achievable..

Not really, no. Counts and dukes in that sense are more honorary titles then anything. Defacto we still have basically the same mechanics as in the basic model of feudalism even if they were not dejure called that.