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Question: Why is Višeta Višević a vassal of Rascia in 867? I read everywhere that Chelmia (Zahumlje) was independet until 924. For me it even sounds like his son Mihaljo was tributary to croatia because the pope asked Zdeslav the croatian prince in 879 for armed escort through dalmatia AND chelmia. Also Mihaljo attended the first council in split. It is stated that chelmia fell under serbian controll after Mihaljos death to caslav klonimirovic in 924.
 

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I agree with what you said but abauj/zemplen are still majorly slavic right?
Most likely yes, but we are talking about two Slavic groups here: Ruthenians and Slavs (in 11th century, people who would eventually become Slovaks were still calling themselves just Slavs)...or maybe some other group of Slavs, southwestern Slovakia is the part I know a lot about (since my master thesis was about Magyar settlement in that area), east was never really that interesting for me. Maybe Hungarians, even though minority in general, had bigger population there than Slavs and Ruthenians separately.
 

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Most likely yes, but we are talking about two Slavic groups here: Ruthenians and Slavs (in 11th century, people who would eventually become Slovaks were still calling themselves just Slavs)...or maybe some other group of Slavs, southwestern Slovakia is the part I know a lot about (since my master thesis was about Magyar settlement in that area), east was never really that interesting for me. Maybe Hungarians, even though minority in general, had bigger population there than Slavs and Ruthenians separately.
Isnt the term ruthenians wrong by now? I think i read that somewhere and that today historians refer to them as rusyns and ukrainian russians(?) (I might be wrong).
However i dont get your point on that since I see ruthenians, rusyns, ukrainians or whatever as a part of the russian culture in hip...
 

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so I found this map of 11th century which confirms my assumption that abauj and zemplen had more slavic inhabitants than hungarians. It would be a mixture of mostly mountains, sparse slavic, slavic and mixed slav-hungarian. Therefore it should be russian...
Hont to be slovak in 876 is also definitely confirmed.
@EldarPanic do you have an idea why there are no romanians displayed but slavs in transylvania?
That map is wrong on so many levels. As Dorlas Anther said.This is the reason why people told you to read from multiple sources.
 

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Isnt the term ruthenians wrong by now? I think i read that somewhere and that today historians refer to them as rusyns and ukrainian russians(?) (I might be wrong).
However i dont get your point on that since I see ruthenians, rusyns, ukrainians or whatever as a part of the russian culture in hip...
I have no idea what term in English is correct for them. We call them Rusíni in Slovakia and I saw word Ruthenians as a translation of our term.
 

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So i tried to make the submod but it is not working.
@Toa Kraka can you pls take a look and tell me what I forgot?
Also guys pls dont use it if you get it working because it is not even near to completition.
I just tried to change culture, religion and correct the baronie locations in croatia.
However dropping all the files into HIP mod folder works..

EDIT: File deleted
 
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Im pretty sure it would be rusyn and all ukrainians were called ruthenians for some time.
During CK2 timeframe, "Rusin" was the ethnonym for all eastern slavs - see, for example the Rus-Byzantine treaty of 911, where "Rusin" and "Grechin" are used for "Russian" and "Greek". Another used term was "Rusak" (compare with "Slovak", "Polyak" etc.) The separation between (Great-)Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians happened much later, when the latter were under PLC rule.
"Ruthenian" is latinism for "Russian"; the term was used for Carpathian and Galician Slavs by the Austro-Hungarian empire in the 19th c., to separate them from Ukrainians under Russian rule. Carpathian Slavs continued to call themselves "Rusini".
Note that the term SWMH uses, "Russkiy" (or, more correctly, "Rusiskŭ" - рѹсьскъ) was used only as adjective until the 18th c. Whether the adjective ("Russkiy") or the ethnonym ("Rusyn") should be used is up to SWMH to decide, I guess.
 

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So i tried to make the submod but it is not working.
@Toa Kraka can you pls take a look and tell me what I forgot?
Also guys pls dont use it if you get it working because it is not even near to completition.
I just tried to change culture, religion and correct the baronie locations in croatia.
However dropping all the files into HIP mod folder works..
You need this line in the .mod file:

Code:
dependencies = { "HIP - Historical Immersion Project" }
Yours only says "HIP".
 

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So i tried to make the submod but it is not working.
@Toa Kraka can you pls take a look and tell me what I forgot?
It's a typo. The folder is named "hip-better-balkans-carpahians", but the path listed in the .mod file is "hip-better-balkans-carpathians".
 

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@Toa Kraka so this works now but my attempt to switch wrongly located baronies between provinces in croatia (explained in the start post) still failed.
How can i make my changes take place ingame?

I just edited history/provinces and moved the baronies between the files and adjusted the max baronies for the province.

Same I did in
common/landed_titles/swmh_landed_titles
and
common/province_setup/00_province_setup

Should i even proceed trying this or leave it to the SWMH team?
Same question for my other suggestions inside the SWMH/EMF start post spoiler
(except the croatian castle culture which I already implemented).
 
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my attempt to switch wrongly located baronies between provinces in croatia (explained in the start post) still failed.
How can i make my changes take place ingame?

I just edited history/provinces and moved the baronies between the files and adjusted the max baronies for the province.

Same I did in
common/landed_titles/swmh_landed_titles
and
common/province_setup/00_province_setup

Should i even proceed trying this or leave it to the SWMH team?
The files look correct to me, so I don't know what the problem is.

As a last resort, you could try adding replace_path = common/landed_titles to your .mod file and copying all the SWMH landed_titles files (except swmh_landed_titles.txt) to your landed_titles folder unmodified.
Same question for my other suggestions inside the SWMH/EMF start post spoiler.
Most of them seem easy enough for a novice modder; the wiki generally has instructions for what you want to do. However, adding an entire new culture group probably would be significantly more complex than it seems at first glance, since there are other items scattered through HIP that reference culture groups. (Likewise, your editing the maximum holding counts for provinces already has broken the kludge for the land-reclamation event, common/scripted_triggers/emf_can_add_holding_slot_trigger.txt/emf_can_add_holding_slot.)
 

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Likewise, your editing the maximum holding counts for provinces already has broken the kludge for the land-reclamation event, common/scripted_triggers/emf_can_add_holding_slot_trigger.txt/emf_can_add_holding_slot
I will correct that.
I figured out that my editing works in game history but if I actually play the game and build baronies myself their names will still be in the wrong old places.
Any idea how this is possible?
 
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I figured out that my editing works in game history but if I actually play the game and build baronies myself their names will still be in the wrong old places.
Any idea how this is possible?
It shouldn't be possible, if you're starting a new campaign before testing your mod.