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Hey there everyone!

So we have been talking about creating sub-forums here, so we devs can get a better overview of your ideas!
Would a few sub-forums according to the list below work for you or do you have other suggestions?

Give it some thought during the weekend and let us know :)
  • New Gameplay Feature ideas
  • New Expansions & DLC:s ideas
  • Current features/Change requests
  • Historical events/Change requests
cheers,
regina
 
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I'm all for it.
Should be little work to create (maybe five minutes or so), although the question would stand wether or not existing threads should be moved to the respective subforum.
And if it turns out that it doesn't work as expected, well, it shouldn't be too much work to remove them either.
 

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While it might be a good idea overall, I have a feeling that the :New Expansions & DLC:s ideas" subforum would very soon begin to feel unloved and forgotten, just like the whole Suggestion forum recently, because it's unlikely that any Dev would ever answer any suggestions there. Overall, a nice thought.
 

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I'll be plain with you, because I believe the situation calls for it, as there is a bad mood right now among forum members and even some moderators and members of the QA team concerning fixes for things that need fixing.

Everybody knows what I'm talking about. Those things used to be okay in the Bug Forum (say, 2 years ago). Now they're getting criticized, moved, and rebranded as 'feature suggestions' even when they are very clear design flaws or omissions or illogicalities in the scripting.

That's not the correct way to address them. Yes, the game is great, and I love it — just like everybody else, and I've got 2000 hours logged on Steam to prove it. But, inventing a new definition of 'bug' and 'WAD' and promoting the idea that requesting a fix for a flaw is a feature suggestion does not bear good witness to the game and solves nothing. The game is not being put on a criminal trial where the prosecution needs to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that something is broken or needs fixing. Deflecting every last shade of a suggestion that something 'needs fixing' (i.e. is bad) as opposed to 'could perhaps be made better' is not intellectually honest, is not productive, creates bad atmosphere and leaves a bad taste in my mouth whenever I go through the forums.

A moment ago, I pointed out that c_Istria and c_Aquileia for obvious reasons have no business being in de iure k_Bavaria as of 769 or 867 — or, thought is less obvious — even 1066. A moderator moved the thread out of the Bug Forum, over my objections, to be buried under a cushion of naval combat/enatic succession/Amazons DLC threads. I kept arguing. I heard that my thread was a suggestion on how to improve the historicity of the game. Following that same kind of logic we could call CTD reports 'suggestions on how to improve the stability of the game'?

Today, a member reported that between an underaged emperor and a human-controlled landed regent neither of them was allowed to end a pending war. Response from QA team? The dev team need to be persuaded(!) to do something about it. Well, if they have the time (yup). At least nobody posted in my own report thread about being unable to grant away excess counties when above the demesne limit (after winning a crusade during regency and receiving every single title in k_Jerusalem) and called it a mere suggestion to change a feature I disliked/disagreed with.

There are many such spots in the game, some of which are difficult to anticipate or notice until you end up in a specific situation (but once you are in that situation, they can in some cases even break your game). My problem is not with the fact that those flaws are in the game at all — although their sheer number and the way more and more of them are introduced in all the subsequent patches that come out without proper design/conceptual QA and pre-release testing is disconcerting — and not even the way in which nothing is done to fix those things over weeks, months, in some cases years, but with the way in which they are being rebranded as features, swept under the rug, even defended. Which — along with some people in PR/dev team's excitement over 'early access' comparisons (i.e. prolonged public beta, which CK2 was supposed to be at release) — is the true nail in the coffin, which has me seriously considering quitting the game now.

There needs to be a forum in which posters are free to report design and scripting flaws with dignity, and there needs to be some reassurance that those threads won't be left to suffocate under a cushion of 'hey, I came up with a nice idea' and 'now this is something that'd be cool to see in the game' threads.

When a report about a serious and obvious flaw that needs fixing is being rebranded as a 'feature request' and when the lack of direction, coordination and QA in post-release development of this game is being rebranded as something positive a.k.a. 'early access' (we didn't sign up for that in Feb 2012) — that's just too much to take.

Bottom line: There needs to be a forum where one can report a flaw, omission or some other problem without being expected to coat it in terms of a proposed improvement, and a place where you can report things that clearly don't make sense (e.g. Base Reluctance making regents veto almost every decision up to and including handing out above-limit titles, the realm be damned) without being expected to pretend that you're only voicing your own personal and subjective opinion. For the sake of both decency and common sense. Both of which are missing right now.

TL;DR: Please separate 'improvements' from 'fixes'. There needs to be a line drawn there.

Thank you.
 

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Hey there everyone!

So we have been talking about creating sub-forums here, so we devs can get a better overview of your ideas!
Would a few sub-forums according to the list below work for you or do you have other suggestions?

Give it some thought during the weekend and let us know :)
  • New Gameplay Feature ideas
  • New Expansions & DLC:s ideas
  • Current features/Change requests
  • Historical events/Change requests
cheers,
regina

Here is the structure I'd use:

  • DLC Ideas
  • Features
  • Events
  • Scripts
  • Historical Change Requests
  • User Interface
  • Graphics
  • Tutorial and Documentation
  • AI Improvements

Cheers.
 

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Here is the structure I'd use:

  • DLC Ideas
  • Features
  • Events
  • Scripts
  • Historical Change Requests
  • User Interface
  • Graphics
  • Tutorial and Documentation
  • AI Improvements

Cheers.
I think that too many subforums would make it fragmented. DLC Ideas definitely deserves it's own subgorum, but things like events, scripts, features, AI... can be joined together to one subforum etc.
 

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I think that too many subforums would make it fragmented. DLC Ideas definitely deserves it's own subgorum, but things like events, scripts, features, AI... can be joined together to one subforum etc.

I don't think it would necessarily be bad to have a small dedicated subforum that moved more slowly but contained all of the threads relating to e.g. AI and only such threads. As a result, any dev/QA team member interested in the AI would be able to just go there and read the threads instead of having to seek them out. The same would apply to posters, some of whom are totally into AI and some are only marginally interested in it. A neat, tidy forum order would be beneficial.

This is in addition to my standard plea that requests for fixes to existing detrimental issues should not be lumped together with more speculative and tentative proposals of improvement, enhancement or new things to do in-game.

Same way, as for historical changes, discussions like 'was Bohemia part of HRE or was it not?' or 'should x be a unified/separate kingdom now or only 20 years later?' should be separated from reports about blatant mistakes, such as Istria or Aquileia being in de iure k_Bavaria as of 769 or 867, where in real life Bavaria first appeared there in like 10th century, and even in the game's history files the de facto rulers have only ever been Lombards before and the province culture too. Things like this should continue to belong to the bug forum, where they used to be until fanboys came up with the idea that they aren't bugs.

For example, I recall reporting in late 2012 that the date of birth and birth order was wrong on Louis IX and his brother Robert d'Artois in 1226. The report was accepted quickly, and the issue was fixed quickly too. The same happened when I reported that the two north-easter counties of d_Masovia under k_Poland — which had four counties in it originally — were never really held by Poland and definitely had no business being claimed 'de iure', i.e. as a matter of law, ancient custom etc., as they were Lithuanian lands. And that was fixed too (the year was probably still 2012, but I can't recall). Nowadays, however, I'm pretty sure that a moderator would move those threads out of the Bug Forum into the Suggestions forum to die, along with the comment that those are only my suggestions. A forum fanboy or two (or five) would also post telling me how it was only my own subjective opinion that the date/order of birth on Louis IX/Robert d'Artois in CK2 should reflect the historical one — as opposed to forever remaining whatever was typed into the history file by someone from the team and therefore, thereby, sacrosanct and must-keep. An attitude which, obviously, dev team members and researchers themselves would probably not share but rather have a more sober-minded approach.

Keeping feature requests and fix requests together would be a victory for mindless fanboyism and superficial PR, as opposed to actually making the game better and fixing its problems.
 

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a GUI&gfx category would be nice aswell

Yeah if you're going to make subforum we need a place for GUI suggestions. There's a lot of non gameplay stuff that can be improved.

My only fear is that these subforums will be extremely slow and get pretty much no attention from the wider community.
 

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I think subforums are a good idea, and here are my suggestions:
  • Gameplay Suggestions
  • DLC Suggestions
  • History Improvements
  • Graphics Suggestions
I think that Gameplay can cover suggestions to tweaks to the existing game features as well as suggested new features. I would categorize the History subforum as "improvements" because that's a bit of a gray area. You get feedback that ranges from
  • Clear bugs ("this character's date of death is 100 years before his birth")
  • Missing data ("this well-documented son is missing and where are those Kara Khitans?")
  • Subjective disagreements ("this province should be Yazidi, and the last Merovingian should be alive in 769")
  • Fanciful (those people that ask for Hellenic characters despite all evidence to the contrary)
While you're contemplating this, why oh why hasn't the modding forum ever been broken up? You could easily do something similar there:
  • Main forum for modding questions/tutorials
  • Subforum for works in progress
  • Subforum for completed mods
  • Subforum for graphics mods
 

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No because nobody likes so many rules, I mean you have to suggest in in the subforum of CK2 forum that is a subforum of a larger forum that is also a subforum of a even larger forum then according to your suggestion you have to post in a subforum in the subforum of many other subforums. Why would we complicate sharing our ideas? You should make it easier to share our ideas not harder.
 

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To supplement what I said above, the description of this forum reads:

'Post your ideas on how the game can be improved or features you would like to see.'

No description given of the bug forum, but there is a fanboyish tendency among some posters and moderators in that forum to narrow down the definition to the narrowest possible sense of strictly technical bug, like a mistyped command or missing semicolon in the code.

This results in the proposition that the game is without issues, bar technical mishaps (which are either reluctanctly conceded or allowed because they don't imply anything more serious/blame-related than an accidental typo). It denies the existence of issues. And, something like current AI pathfinding or regency, for example, is not something that can be improved but rather something that needs fixing.

We all love the game, but we need to be intellectually honest and drop the pretence that we're only suggesting improvements here.
 

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@Regina
I would probably replace Historical events with historical improvements (or some other word that is less specific). I also don't necessarily see the need for too many subfora in part because the more fora there are, the more risk of people posting stuff in the wrong forum, as well as some of them becoming sparse.

@iron0037
The distinction between current and new features is because current features are probably ones that the devs can more easily respond to (and in many cases they could be relatively easy to implement)

@NewbieOne
The basic problem with posting suggestions in bug reports (leaving aside that its filling it with threads of no interest to QA) is that many suggestions can be subject to debate, which the bug report forum isn't a good place for (the same applies to suggestions posted in the x.x.x patch stickies) - because a substantial proportion of people are there to check for news/reports of bugs and whether paradox have responded. It also invites people who like to shove 'bug' in front of their suggestion to write spurious bug reports (Gurlaas's Hellenic suggestions were always couched as that) which just makes QA's job harder. That there will always be a line between bug and suggestion (especially on balance issues) is a given.

The odd communications between QA and the devs on some issues (thats hardly the first example) is another matter entirely. But that feedback is useful, for then you know to ask the devs to think again.
 
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Yes, Talq, I realize that, and I also recognize that some of my own bug reports refer to design flaws and not e.g. to coding mistakes, compiler/runtime errors and stuff like that. And yes, when pointing out a very basic and obvious logical flaw or inconsistency in a mechanic, I suppose things could be marginally more subjective than when deciding whether some weird succession order is WAD gavelkind/male preference/whatever or a bug.

For example, I did report the new state of things with cultural 'levies' (described as periodic conscripted military service by subjects, basically draft/reserves) being made weaker *on paper* (i.e. stats) than cultural retinues (described as pretty much elite units in active service) as a bug, knowing that it was WAD, but my reasoning here was that a certain arbitrary designer decided in his wisdom to ignore common sense and tell us to do the same. This is comparable to, for example, inverting the hierarchy between dukes and earls (something a non-European fantasy game could plausibly do if the designer didn't do his research on European social hierarchy, just like few Europeans or Americans are familiar with e.g. Chinese ranks) or — in modern times — making Army National Guard stronger than active-service Rangers or at least Marines. Obvious nonsense qualifies for a bug report in my opinion, and this should not be coated in terms of merely a suggestion. Similarly to how requesting a fix to regent base reluctance or Muslim vassal opinion is about fixing the game, not about improving the game.

I just want the sugar coating and the debunker/apologist mentality to go.
 

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Thanks for all the suggestions!
I'll talk it over with the dev team and see what we decide.
I think we'll try and keep the amount of subforum quite short, because it's easier if the devs gets their own dedicated forums to keep an eye on :)

(Sorry for being quiet, the flu got the best of me this week...)
 

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I know you are busy with El Doraldo and all, but how is this going? Its just, one doubts all the old forum posts will be split up, so a number could become orphans.