Sub-Saharans and Chinese with rifles

[toroltao]

Yup, they bought a few samples from the Portugese and then started mass producing them based on those samples. While arquebuses were a European technology they spread frighteningly fast across the world. The Native Americans were uniquely screwed in that, because they were a collection of mostly Stone Age civilizations with only the a few South American civilizations developing bronze age technology, they completely lacked any established metallurgical technology, which means they could not replicate firearms without outside help even if they wanted to.

Plus disease and epidemic pretty much crippled them before they ever had a chance in the first place.

 

[hhyy_best]

Hmmm, while I always find it amused that the Chinese has lower starting tech than the nomad in most starting times and a whole nation of forts that they cannot build by the starting tech... someone even find Chinese group is set too advanced....

 

[toroltao]

Hmmm, while I always find it amused that the Chinese has lower starting tech than the nomad in most starting times and a whole nation of forts that they cannot build by the starting tech... someone even find Chinese group is set too advanced....

I was also under the impression that the AI could not properly manipulate the faction system to tech up along with the rest of the world.

I'd love to see a game where Ming does decently and doesn't fall too far behind in technology or outright implodes into rebels forever and never reunites again.

 

[FreeSoc]

I was also under the impression that the AI could not properly manipulate the faction system to tech up along with the rest of the world.

It can't do that anyway now, because none of the factions gives a tech cost bonus any more.

 

[hhyy_best]

I was also under the impression that the AI could not properly manipulate the faction system to tech up along with the rest of the world.

I'd love to see a game where Ming does decently and doesn't fall too far behind in technology or outright implodes into rebels forever and never reunites again.

It would be much better now since you no longer need to switch factions to tech up..

Yet while it's a huge boost to ai, it's a big nerf to human players as the 25% bonus is gone. Now ming becomes the only nation without a tech bonus in east Asia......

 

[kitemasaki]

It would be much better now since you no longer need to switch factions to tech up..

Yet while it's a huge boost to ai, it's a big nerf to human players as the 25% bonus is gone. Now ming becomes the only nation without a tech bonus in east Asia......

This is true and its also ridiculous that we cannot westernize off of trade companies. You are forced into taking land or trying the gamey rush to the new world or Australia so you can border a CN. There are no exchanges in ideas, diplomats, jesuits or 'western arms trade' that occurred in history. They should have a full programmer campaign in Asia so they know what they are talking about when making these decisions because none of it works right now.