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Historical Succession Laws
v0.2.5
UPDATED - 04/06/2014


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If any HIP member is unsatisfied with this mod, then just PM me and I'll take it down. I've gotten the permissions from the PB and SWMH leaders, which this mod is mostly based on. See the credits section for full details.



1. About

HSL strives to give historically accurate succession laws and other historically cultural aspects to landed titles.
It currently gives historical succession laws to the British Isles and Brittany during the 867 start.
It could turn into something bigger, in regards to bettering the historical experience for the rest of the map.

If you like this mod or the idea of this mod then maybe you could help by making suggestions about what laws I could change for the landed titles on the map.
Doing historical research is time consuming, and I'm just one guy.

***IMPORTANT***
PLEASE post your suggestions in this format: Title/Year/Old Law (please provide if you can)/New Law/Source Links (optional, if you want your sources on the record)

e.g.
Kingdom of Ireland/867/agnatic-cognatic gavelkind/agnatic tanistry/Wikipedia - Tanistry
Duchy of Airgialla/867/agnatic-cognatic gavelkind/agnatic tanistry
etc.

Then do the same for any sub-titles you want to see changes in.
Include full law details, e.g. agnatic tanistry
***IMPORTANT***



2. Requirements

Requires CK2 v2.1.4 and HIP - RoI - 2014-05-24.

If there is demand for it, I'll consider a CK2 v2.0.4/HIP 2014-03-22 version of this mod.
However, this mod may already be backwards compatible. If someone wants to test this out for me then be mt guest. Otherwise, right now, I'm not bothered.

The modules I use and develop HSL for:
  • SomeWhat More Historical (SWMH)*
  • ARKOpack:
    • ARKO armoiries**
    • ARKO interface
  • Project Balance (PB)*$
  • New Borders, Rivers, and Terrain+ (NBRT+)
  • Vanilla Immersion, Events, and Traits (VIET):
    • VIET Traits
    • VIET Events
  • Cultures and Portraits Revamp (CPR)
*definitely required
**recommended to get the best use out of the flags for both the de jure and titular Kingdom of Ireland
$for the PB modules, I recommend using No Ahistorical Empires and no other modules for maximum playability and historical effect, with HSL

Incompatible modules:
  • Vanilla Immersion, Events, and Traits (VIET):
    • VIET Immersion*
*until VIET Immersion becomes compatible with SWMH, HSL will not be compatble with it

Further compataibity details in the HIP mod table.



3. Installation
  1. Unzip archive into the CK2 mod folder.
  2. Make sure you have the required HIP modules installed. (see requirements section)
  3. Make sure HIP and HSL are checked in the CK2 launcher.



4. Credits

  • Cormac91 - Creater of HSL

Special Credit and Thanks:
  • superskierpat - for practically giving me the code for the titular Ireland destruction event
  • Ruwaard - for practically giving me much of the required code for titular Ireland and the gain effect leading to the destruction event
  • various other people for giving me the idea for titular Ireland, and for their help and support
  • Meneth and the PB team - for allowing me to use some of their files
  • Aasmul and the SWMH team - for allowing me to use some of their files
  • Arko - for letting me use the Ireland flag for titular Ireland
  • The whole HIP team for making this mod possible, and for making one of the finest CK2 projects

HIP Credits:

  • Aasmul - SWMH team leader
  • AnaxXiphos - Art guru
  • Arko - Creator of ARKOpack
  • Axl Madness - SWMH team member
  • Bertuccio - SWMH team member
  • Cybrxkhan - Creator of VIET
  • Elvain - SWMH team member
  • EOOQE - Creator of NBRT+
  • Il Moro - SWMH team member
  • Meneth - Creator of Project Balance
  • OrdepNM - VIET team member. Author of HIP to EU4 converter
  • Ruwaard - SWMH team member
  • theking1988 - SWMH team member
  • Zijistark - Project Balance team member
 
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Implemented and Planned Ideas

Implemented Ideas:

  • Titular Ireland
  • Creating de jure Ireland will destroy titular Ireland
  • Some cultural names for Ireland

Title/YearOld LawNew LawSource Links
Kingdom of Brittany (867)

Duchy of Brittany
Kingdom of Brittany (1185)
n/a

agnatic-cognatic gavelkind
agnatic-cognatic gavelkind
n/a

agnatic-cognatic feudal elective
agnatic-cognatic primogeniture
n/a

1902 Encyclopedia - Primogentiture
Kingdom of England (867)

Duchy of Cornwall
Duchy of Hereford
Duchy of Norfolk
Duchy of Northumberland
Duchy of Somerset
n/a

agnatic-cognatic gavelkind
^
^
^
agnatic-cognatic feudal elective
n/a

agnatic gavelkind
agnatic feudal elective
^
^
^
n/a

Kingdom of Ireland (867)

Kingdom of Ireland (titular)
Duchy of Airgialla
County of Oriel
Duchy of Breifne
County of Breifne
County of Cavan
Duchy of Connacht
County of Connacht
County of Galway
Duchy of Leinster
County of Carlow
County of Kildare
County of Leinster
Duchy of Meath
County of Annaly
County of Mide
County of Tethbae
Duchy of Munster
County of Cork
County of Limerick
County of Ormond
Duchy of O'Neill
County of Derry
County of Tyrconnell
County of Tyrone
Duchy of Ossory
County of Ossory
Duchy of Thomond
County of Thomond
County of Tipperary
Duchy of Ulster
County of Ulster
n/a

n/a
agnatic-cognatic gavelkind
^
^
^
^
^
^
^
^
^
^
^
^
^
^
^
^
^
^
^
^
^
^
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^
^
^
^
^
^
^
n/a

agnatic tanistry
^
^
^
^
^
^
^
^
^
^
^
^
^
^
^
^
^
^
^
^
^
^
^
^
^
^
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^
^
^
n/a

Kingdom of Poland (1042)agnatic-cognatic gavelkindagnatic-cognatic primogenitureWikipedia - Casimir I the Restorer
Kingdom of Scotland (867)

Duchy of Strathclyde
agnatic-cognatic tanistry

agnatic-cognatic gavelkind
agnatic tanistry

agnatic gavelkind
Wikipedia - Tanistry

Kingdom of Sicily (1042)

Duchy of Apulia
County of Apulia
n/a

agnatic-cognatic gavelkind
^
n/a

agnatic-cognatic primogeniture
^
n/a

Kingdom of Wales (867)

Duchy of Deheubarth
County of Brycheiniog
County of Ceredigion
County of Dyfed
County of Ystrad Tywi
Duchy of Gwynedd
Duchy of Morgannwg
County of Glamorgan
County of Gwent
County of Gwyr
n/a

agnatic-cognatic gavelkind
^
^
^
^
^
^
^
^
^
n/a

agnatic gavelkind
^
^
^
^
^
^
^
^
^
n/a



Planned Ideas:

Planning on making the Titular Kingdom of Ireland usurpable for the next release.

Lordship of Ireland

Hiberno-Norman/Gaill culture (melting pot between Irish and Norman cultures).

Kingdom of Breifne Ui Raghallaigh 12th ct.

Kingdom of Breifne Ua Ruairc 12th ct.

Further succession laws for the sub-rulers of the British Isles and Brittany.

Might consider changing the Breton laws after some further revision.

Norman laws for later dates in the British Isles.

Possibly ideas for Northern, Western and Central Europe.

Germanic sub-cultures

British Isles sub-cultures

I might also allow/restrict certain cultures/cultural groups/religions/etc. from certain laws if you can provide a good argument for it.


Maybe Ideas:

The destruction of Aquitaine on the creation of France.

Cultures


Update Log:


v0.2.5 04/06/2014

  • updated HSL for the current CK2 and HIP release (as of 04/06/2014)
  • made titular Ireland tribal
  • removed the Lordship of Ireland
  • included independency for older HIP versions in the mod file to help with backwards compatibility
  • changed The Duchy of Brittany's gender succession law from agnatic to agnatic-cognatic
  • Duchy of Brittany: 1185 - primogeniture succession
  • Duchy and County of Apulia: 1042 - primogeniture succession
  • Kingdom of Poland: 1042 - primogeniture succession



v0.2.4b 26/02/2014
  • fixed a compatibility issue between the HIP.mod file and the HSL.mod file



v0.2.3b 16/02/2014
  • updated HSL compatibility with HIP
  • removed some unnecessary files and added some smaller files, making the archive more compact
  • added localisations for some titles for Ireland, e.g. Kingdom of Ireland -> Ríocht na Éire (not exactly grammatically correct, but the best I can do)



v0.2.2b 01/02/2014

  • fixed more issues with latest hip release
  • half implemented the Lordship of Ireland



v0.2.1 31/01/2014

  • fixed incompatibilities between HIP and HSL after recent HIP update



v0.2 31/01/2014

  • added the titular Kingdom of Ireland
  • creating the de jure Kingdom of Ireland will destroy the titular Kingdom of Ireland
  • brought back the cultural names to certain titles in Ireland, they were commented out by SWMH



v0.1.1 28/01/2014

  • removed some unnecessary files
  • replaced misspellings of gavelkind from 'gravelkind' to 'gavelkind'



v0.1 27/01/2014

Changed succession laws for:
  • Ireland
  • Scotland
  • Engalnd
  • Wales
  • Brittany
 
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I'll definitely use this. Could you specify what game-play effects you made?
 

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I'll definitely use this. Could you specify what game-play effects you made?
I basically just accumulated some landed titles in the history/titles folder and added or edited succesion laws at the start of each files to affect some of the titles at the 867 start point. This might not have the same effect for later dates. At the moment the only lands that are affected are those ruled by Irish, Scottish, Anglo-Saxon, Breton, Welsh and other Celtic lords. It doesn't affect Norse lords.

I may not have gotten all of the historical laws right, but I've done enough research to think that I'm right so far. Besides, the real complexity of historcial laws isn't fully represented in CK2 at this moment. I've done my best to select the best laws that would represent historical accuracy.
 

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I thought that succession laws were hardcoded?
 

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Yeah, It would be nice to see the list of changes made, when you get a chance.
 

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Also, it's Gavelkind, not Gravelkind.
 

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I basically just accumulated some landed titles in the history/titles folder and added or edited succesion laws at the start of each files to affect some of the titles at the 867 start point. This might not have the same effect for later dates. At the moment the only lands that are affected are those ruled by Irish, Scottish, Anglo-Saxon, Breton, Welsh and other Celtic lords. It doesn't affect Norse lords.

I may not have gotten all of the historical laws right, but I've done enough research to think that I'm right so far. Besides, the real complexity of historcial laws isn't fully represented in CK2 at this moment. I've done my best to select the best laws that would represent historical accuracy.
Actually, what I meant was how did it change, i.e. what was it before your mod and what is it now?
 

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Actually, what I meant was how did it change, i.e. what was it before your mod and what is it now?
Well, just about everywhere in the British Isles was agnatic-cognatic when they were historically agnatic at the time. Ireland had agnatic-cognatic gavelkind laws (I think) when it should have had agnatic tanistry laws. I felt that Welsh and Welsh related cultures (Cornish, Cumbric) were best historically represented with agnatic gavelkind, except for Breton, which was best represented with agnatic feudal elective.

When I get the chance I'll make a better list about the changes. Something like:
Ireland: agnatic-cognatic gavelkind -> agnatic tanistry
Scotland: agnatic-cognatic tanistry -> agnatic tanistry
etc.
 

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soggestion for you for Bohemia:
1039 - 1198 seniority (I'm not sure if it is ingame)
from 1198 on primogeniture.
Also generaly, k_bohemia should be primogeniture, d_bohemia should be seniority
 

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soggestion for you for Bohemia:
1039 - 1198 seniority (I'm not sure if it is ingame)
from 1198 on primogeniture.
Also generaly, k_bohemia should be primogeniture, d_bohemia should be seniority
Great! And they are agnatic I presume?

Edit: Actually, could you repost based on the format I've described in the first post. Thanks.

Edit: Are you saying?:
Kingdom of Bohemia/(867?)/?/agnatic primogeniture
Kingdom of Bohemia/1039/?/agnatic seniority
Kingdom of Bohemia/1198/?/agnatic primogeniture
Duchy of Bohemia/(867?)/?/agnatic seniority

Edit: I've finally figured out what you meant, but looking at the history files this already seems to be implemented, except with agnatic seniority starting at 1045.
 
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Also, for anyone who hasn't noticed, I've updated to version v0.1.1. New download link above. I haven't actually tested it yet, and might not get the chance today, so please report any bugs. Check the second post to see the changes that were supposed to be implemented since v0.1.

Edit: v0.1.1b (beta)
 
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I like the idea you working on. I hope that people will come across other instances that can be passed along to your project.
 

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It might be an idea to reset some of the succession laws, when or where native dynasties were replaced by foreigners; or when (gradually) features from other cultures where adopted.

In case of the former, in the British Isles, that would mostly be Normans (and their successors); in case of the latter AFAIK (might be wrong) Scotland (at least their monarch and (part of the) nobility) did adopt Norman or even continental feudal ideas, at least from the reign of David I of Scotland (onwards).