Struggle for Supremacy

[HolisticGod]

Duke,

No.

'fraid not.

I'm now 107 years in, I've played extremely conservatively and I haven't taken advantage of one damn thing that every European worth his salt with an explorer before 1500 doesn't take advantage of. That China is doing well pre-event should be a boon to the game, not a problem.

I would think even a supra-China, which we both know I could've built easily, that stretched from the Pacific to the Mediterranean, encompassed Mexico and Peru, south India and South East Asia and had the manpower and wealth (if not the tech/stab) to challenge all of Europe acting together would at the least be a welcome change of pace and historical insofar as it could have happened if the Chinese government had undergone a massive reform in 1492.

As it stands, I'm building a fairly progressive, versatile state that, if I do say so myself, is among the most valuable and playable in the game. That it's Asian is not sufficient reason to cut it out.

 

[TheArchduke]

That´s why I only friendly asked, but it seems like we need a sub for Mughals for real...
Hm, hosting could be done by you, I suppose?

 

[HolisticGod]

Duke,

Oh, I know you were only asking. If you were telling, I would've either moved where you wanted me without question or left the game.

I was just explaining my reasoning.

And I will start looking for as near a Slargosian Mughal as I can find-unless Damo would like to take them...

 

[HolisticGod]

Duke,

As for hosting, I'd prefer not. My connection is still fuzzy and it's a pain.

But if there are no other possibilities, I'll do it.

 

[Hive]

And I suppose we get to test is spanish steel better than french soon enough, due to the current european situation and foreign policies of the major nations. Unless some kind of agreement can be found between the emperor and king of France. (remember, emperor = Spain)

Oh is that so?

 

[Hive]

England certainly could gladly hear that Spain says that the threat to embargo countries that trade with the Ottoman Empire was simply an opinion of a very junior officer in the spanish government. England could hate to have a trade conflict with Spain.

The Spanish messenger who delivered that message was drunk, and misunderstood the message. He now misunderstand things at the bottom of the mediterranian ocean...

Spain will, however, embargo anyone we see fit - and without further explanation.

 

[arcorelli]

The Spanish messenger who delivered that message was drunk, and misunderstood the message. He now misunderstand things at the bottom of the mediterranian ocean...

We are happy that the whole business was a misunderstanding. And we are glad that the Spanish Crown rule his country with an iron fist, although maybe their policies regarding messengers will have as an outcome a sudden fall in the number of people wishing to do that task? We wonder

 

[devil]

Duke, tomorrow I will be able to sub, I am off work early. Don't care who I play, say so if you want me to show up. Also I can host pretty well.

 

[HolisticGod]

Duke,

Devil hosts better than I do, if he is indeed subbing tomorrow...

 

[Hive]

Duke,

Devil hosts better than I do, if he is indeed subbing tomorrow...

Devil is indeed a good host. Perhaps he can battle HG, as the Mughals?

 

[HolisticGod]

Hive,

Any Mughal that attacks me in China right now dies. End of story.

It doesn't have enough of India yet and it's not getting ahead tech-wise.

 

[Fredrik82]

Hive,

Any Mughal that attacks me in China right now dies. End of story.

It doesn't have enough of India yet and it's not getting ahead tech-wise.

With Russian support he may succeed

 

[Swuul]

Hive,

Any Mughal that attacks me in China right now dies. End of story.

It doesn't have enough of India yet and it's not getting ahead tech-wise.

But probably any other Mughal player but Slargos would call Ottomans in. Last war OE would have had a +2 CRT's compared to China, but Slargos wanted to slugfest it alone... Now the Ottoman edge in land power is not that great, but Ottos would have the nice edge of having mightily superior navy compared with China I've been fighting with land powers against strong naval powers, and it ain't fun, I thought I'd try to avoid that mistake this time.

So, if China threathens Mughals in anyway, then Ottomans would have to strike China where-ever they are weakest, be that in Japan, Hebei, Malacca or India

 

[Swuul]

With Russian support he may succeed

Aaah, it seems we have a new sort of alliance forming! OE could even forget its quarrels with Russia until the Chinese problem is solved!

Everybody to the barricades!!! The Yellow Threat must be stopped!

 

[HolisticGod]

Jarkko,

In the last war, the OE likely would've been an ineffectual mess fighting in Asia. Slargos had an advantage too and was pushed to Persia without much effort whatsoever.

Now, I agree, you could probably cause me some serious pain. However, if I wanted to kill the Mughals I'd kill the Mughals. Lack of interest and a desire to be challenged eventually are the reasons it survives, and so there is nothing for the OE to fear.

(though such threats do make an alliance with Austria likelier)

Fred,

I reiterate, if you want to attack me through Siberia so be it...

But I think you're better than that.

 

[Swuul]

In the last war, the OE likely would've been an ineffectual mess fighting in Asia. Slargos had an advantage too and was pushed to Persia without much effort whatsoever.

Perhaps. But perhaps Suleiman with +2 CRT's would have wiped the table with Chinese. Alas, we'll never know that now But I certainly would have wanted to see China walk to Mediterranean as they have proclaimed the could do *ROFL*

 

[HolisticGod]

Jarkko,

Oh, they can do it.

It would've required I play a different way from the outset, however.

(as for Suleyman, undoubtedly, but I think you'd find supply and movement rather difficult things at those distances )

 

[Swuul]

(as for Suleyman, undoubtedly, but I think you'd find supply and movement rather difficult things at those distances )

Could be. But already then OE was able to lift 30k troops with the Indian Ocean fleet, now it could lift 100+ of troops in one go. I wouldn't be so stupid to attack where China is strongest

 

[Hive]

Aaah, it seems we have a new sort of alliance forming! OE could even forget its quarrels with Russia until the Chinese problem is solved!

Everybody to the barricades!!! The Yellow Threat must be stopped!

This sounds interesting.

 

[Swuul]

This sounds interesting.

It would be profitable for Spain too if China was hammered down a bit. China currently dominates world-trade, and it is only a matter of time when Chinese hordes land in Peru!