Stronger Baltic Tribes

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In 1066 scenario Batlic tribes should be more stronger. Now, playing as Poland we can conquer them in 3 years... and make kingdom of Lithuania in 1070!

They must be stronger. In XI century they were invading Mazovia. Poles couldn't defeat them and in 1226 (it's 200 years later), Conrad of Mazovia, bring Teutonic Order.

I think it should looks like this

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Green - Lithuanians (LITT)
Navy-Blue - Pruthenians (PRUT)
Red - Yatviags (YATV)
Really Light blue - Curonian (CURO)
Yellow - Lettigalians (LETT)
Normal Blue - Livonia (LIVO)

Dots - Claims of Lithuanians
Green AA - County of Zhmud (Vasal of Lithuanians)
Red A - first County of Yatviags
Red B - second County of Yatviags
Blue A - first County of Pruthenians
Blue C - second County of Pruthenians

Alliances
Yatviags and Pruthenians
Lithuanians and Curonian
Lettigalians and Livonia
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Lithuanians and Pruthenians may have rulers with many military points (they shoul have strong army)

With these alliances, lithuanians (and other baltic tribes) will not get allied with Cumans or tribes of Finland

 

[Riddermark]

Thats really interesting but should be tested if it would actually change anything.

 

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Nations in AD 1000

Prusowie - Pruthenians
Litwini - Lithuanians
Jacwingowie - Yatviags
Kurowie - Curonian
Liwowie - Livonians
Letgalowie - Lettigalians
Estowie - Ests
Finowie - finnish tribes
Dregowicze - Dregovich (russian "tribe")
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Yellow - Balts (Baltic tribes)
Green - Ugro-fins
Red - West Slavs
Pink - East Slavs

 

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Nations in AD 1000

Prusowie - Pruthenians
Litwini - Lithuanians
Jacwingowie - Yatviags
Kurowie - Curonian
Liwowie - Livonians
Letgalowie - Lettigalians
Estowie - Ests
Finowie - finnish tribes
Dregowicze - Dregovich (russian "tribe")
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Yellow - Balts (Baltic tribes)
Green - Ugro-fins
Red - West Slavs
Pink - East Slavs

After this map. Shouldn't Jacwiez and Polotsk be part of Lithuanians? And West Dvina part of Lettigalians? And Galindia Pruthenians? And Memel Curonian? Or did change that much in the ca. 70 years?

 

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Lithuanians join Jacwiez and Polotsk many years later

In game province West Dvina is too big. It could be russian

Memel should be Lithuanian

Yellow - Lithuania in 1263 (with Jacwiez)
Blue - Lithuania in 1341
Red - XV century

 

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Okay, then what you showed would be the best. Although I think giving claims on a title of a christ where they don't need them is quite senseless. Next CK2 wish: A better map in this region.

 

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Yes, we don't want those pagan Lithuanians to have one of the titles of Jesus, such as son of god or something!

(sarcasm)

 

[Grosshaus]

Unless Byakhiam insists otherwise it´s too late for this kind of changes.

 

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Ok, I made new version of my viosion of Baltic Tribes

With this alliances there won't be allies like Lithuanians and Cumans or Prussians and some of Finland tribes

There will be not "locked" for creation duchies. Like Prussia/Prussians Livonia/Lettigalians

Prutherians' capitol was Truso (Today Elblag in Poland) prov 370
Their ruler might be Budo of Truso 27 years old with stats 10/6/6/8 (It's not real character )

BTW I know that is too late for 1.5, but it's suggestion for next beta

 

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Bumb it after jan 11th.