Strategy to win spanish civil war as republican

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Chabrot

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Hello,

While waiting for the new patch, I decided to try to handle the Spanish civil war as the republican side for my last game before WoT release. I thought it would be OK because I've already made several games with no problem, but it appeared to be surprisingly hard! Actually I won, but that's mainly because of the mistakes of the AI, temporarily abandoning some provinces, allowing me to take them, cross rivers with no combat, and make some encirclements. But versus a human player (even a not very good one) I wouldn't have had any chance, so i'm in a look for some advice in terms of strategy.

In my game, the war broke out very soon, in february 1936. Here are the decisions I took:

- With my first political points, I hired a high commander, and then a military chief for their bonus on attack and defense. Then I hired a theorist, to boost the land doctrine research. After that, my manpower was bleeding so much that I had no other choice to focus on conscription laws to allow some reinforcements.
- National focus tree: I first chose "Political effort" for the 120 PP, and then mainly focused on getting the bonus on land doctrine research, and grabbing those military factories
- research: I started the first researches on electronics and industrial trees as usual, and then focused on infantry weapons, artillery, and land doctrines. As my strategy would be mainly defensive, I chose the Grand battleplan tree (not sure that was the most appropriate though... but hey, I had to choose one!).
- construction: I first built a civil factoy, and then military factories only
- industry: I dedicated one factory to artillery, one to support equipment, the rest to rifles. I could never have enough rifles though. Because steel was lacking so much, I sacrificied two civil factories to import some.
- division designer: I didn't do much there, I just added an arty battalion to my infantry template. I hadn't enough in my stocks but that still may have helped. I didn't train any troops, as I never had enough weapons I considered that was useless.

On the terrain: I first tried to attack towards that small piece of land in the north, in order to prevent the loss of the four divisions there. I failed. The situation became very difficult, instead of attacking, I chose to defend, using the rivers and mountains to my advantage as much as possible, and trying to lose as few provinces as possible. I hardly managed to prevent Catalonia to be cut off the rest of my armies, and I tried to hold on enough time for my industry to produce more guns, hoping my divisions would gain some veterancy during this time. That worked, but I had to be very patient, and I finally could make something because the AI occasionally abandoned some provinces with stupid moves. I managed to take the ports in the south, and to push towards Portugal in the center, so the army in the south was isolated. Once eliminated, managing the rest of the army in the north was relatively easy, as I had much more troops.

Finally! But what a pain!!! What should I change in my strategy to make this easier? I would really appreciate any advice! Thank you in advance!
 

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On the micro level, the easiest piece of advice to give is not to play defensively right when the war breaks out. Take as much territory as you can before you meet resistance, and then worry about forming a coherent line. If you group up your good units (i.e. not the int'l brigades) and push them towards Navarre, while bringing the soldiers in Bilbao south, you will lose Bilbao but save the troops. Don't bother attacking with the int'l brigades, just keep shifting them to reinforce losing battles, or to finish encirclements. Just use the good divisions as a spearhead and stay away from Axis volunteers as much as possible (unless they can be encircled).

Regarding macro level, if your only concern is winning the civil war take Superior Firepower, because it has the most useful bonuses over the first two techs (if the war takes much more than a year you got really unlucky with volunteers or are doing something wrong). I just build pure military factories in Catalonia during the war, and aside from one factory on artillery to keep the starting units supplied, everything goes to guns. I also wouldn't bother adding artillery to divisions since they most likely wouldn't get a decent supply over the duration of the war. As far as research goes you might consider taking the 1918 inf equip tech first, but it's not necessary.
 

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Ouch!!! I didn't even notice there were two different division patterns involved! :eek:
I understand better why that was so hard now! May I consider converting a few int'l troops into the regular patern division, or it's useless?
For the 1918's equipment, I didn't mention it but I actually researched it.
Just for the laugh, I concluded the war in 1939. I've been actually unlucky with volunteers (only one russian division, sitting around most of the time), but yes, there must really be something wrong in what I do.
Thank you for the advice, I will give it another try after the patch comes out. :)

P.S: Why disagreeing with my first post??? If something is wrong that's OK to tell me, but that was a question!
 

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May I consider converting a few int'l troops into the regular patern division, or it's useless?

You won't have enough equipment to supply them unless the war goes on for longer than it should. With internationals, small division size-->worse stats-->takes more damage-->loses more equipment. If you're the Soviets/China/Raj that's okay, but for the Spanish you're just going to be losing too many guns to keep up with reinforcement, let alone adding battalions.

Another thing to keep watch of is manpower, because if you get too aggressive you might run out without realizing and not have the PP to increase conscription.
 

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I did this last week for the first time. The first thing i did was gather political support with the communists adding a communist adviser. Political Effort in the focus tree and hired a high commander then increased my conscription laws to limited conscription 1.5% to 2.5% and later 5% when communist in case the war broke out early. I focused on building military factories and punching out small arms and artillery. once i built enough factories to sustain i started building fighters for air support. when the war finally broke out i believe it was late 36' Nationalist spain was limited to Galicia in the NW and Catalonia in the NE, and Galicia didn't have any troops. Air support, Naval bombardment helped but I licensed out a Russian tac bomber to eventually help finish the job.
Gathering communist support helped ultimately keep the nationalists from being overwhelming. after political effort i went down the industrialist line. i went with Grand Battleplan for doctrine and researched the typical immediate building for war researches. I can't quite remember what i did with the division templates. I think i uprgaded one of the smaller infantry so they were stronger without having to train a whole new division and them actually being useful.
 
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Spam as much of your tiny trash divisions as possible, line the fronts and push land as much as possible uncontested.

After that, move into open spaces and don't bother attacking anything unless it's surrounded/de org'd from no supply. AI front line management can't handle this and you keep getting open spaces for more surrounds.

When I did this I screwed up and forgot to stop exercising my troops:



Kind of like I was mocking them, but not intentional. I still won after noticing:



Similar strat can be applied to trash USA very early as Canada or Mexico, and in a few wars between minors.