Strategos became a Doux - known bug?

[DukeDayve]

Haven't played CK2 in about 6 months, playing again today for the first time.

So I started as the Byzantine emperor in 1081 and the strategos of Bononia was a viceroy (I re-started after I noticed this to make sure and he begins in the 1081 date as a strategos, not a doux).

The strategos of Bononia did something naughty and I got the popup telling me I could imprison him. Since he was a member of a faction I decided I would imprison him, but he escaped my guards and raised his flag in rebellion. I won easily and imprisoned him. I left him in prison. Eventually I got a message of him complaining and I chose the option to "release him, he can owe me a favour" or something. He gets released, he owed me a favour.

But now he's a doux and not a viceroy. His title became hereditary. Why did this happen?

His son was the count of Naissos, and while the strategos of Bononia was in my jail his son's county was stolen from him by another one of my strategoses, but apart from that nothing else has changed regarding that duchy.

 

[Naughtius Maximus]

Anybody under a direct rebellion against you technically becomes independent for the duration. Independents turn that viceroy title into a permanent one. This does not apply to faction led revolts, just for failed imprisonment attempts, really.

 

[DukeDayve]

Anybody under a direct rebellion against you technically becomes independent for the duration. Independents turn that viceroy title into a permanent one. This does not apply to faction led revolts, just for failed imprisonment attempts, really.

Right, but after his rebellion was beaten he became my vassal again and is in jail. His title should not have become a hereditary title, it should've remained a viceroyalty.

 

[Naughtius Maximus]

That's what happens when he becomes "independent." It is what it is.....

I tend to avoid trying to imprison dukes or higher because of it.

They do not make the title hereditary if they are in revolt because of factions however, so if you want to revoke his titles aim to piss him off.

 

[clockworkBabbag]

That's what happens when he becomes "independent." It is what it is.....

I tend to avoid trying to imprison dukes or higher because of it.

They do not make the title hereditary if they are in revolt because of factions however, so if you want to revoke his titles aim to piss him off.

I mean, you're wrong? It only would become a hereditary title if the revolt ends inconclusively for some unrelated/unexpected reason that also causes them to become independent (or possibly if they win. Not entirely sure) - as soon as they surrender and go back to being your vassal it should revert to being a viceroyalty. I've been doing failed imprison->revolt all the time with my king viceroys in my current game in order to keep clean borders and not once have they ever become hereditary titles.

This could be something specific to ducal viceroys - I'm far from that point in the game to know.

But in any case, this is clearly a bug and/or unintended behavior - unless there was something else that the OP might have not realized had happened that affected this.

 

[DukeDayve]

That's what happens when he becomes "independent." It is what it is.....

I tend to avoid trying to imprison dukes or higher because of it.

They do not make the title hereditary if they are in revolt because of factions however, so if you want to revoke his titles aim to piss him off.

So I should always revoke his main title after I imprison him (after he's revolted) if I want that title to remain a viceroyalty?

Incidentally, is this a recent thing? I've got about 1,300 hours of CK2 and I don't ever remember this happening before. And out of those 1,300 hours I'd say at least 1,000 have been spent playing as the Byzantine Empire.

I mean, you're wrong? It only would become a hereditary title if the revolt ends inconclusively for some unrelated/unexpected reason that also causes them to become independent (or possibly if they win. Not entirely sure) - as soon as they surrender and go back to being your vassal it should revert to being a viceroyalty. I've been doing failed imprison->revolt all the time with my king viceroys in my current game in order to keep clean borders and not once have they ever become hereditary titles.

Yeah, exactly what I'm thinking. I've played this game a lot, mostly as Byzantines and been using viceroyalties ever since that feature was released - I've never known this to happen. I see absolutely no reason why a failed imprison attempt (and subsequent imprisonment after a war and then release/ransom) should lead to a viceroy strategos becoming a hereditary duke.

It just shouldn't/doesn't. And yet it did.