Strategically important provinces?

[Permanganate]

Why say unmentionned? that is mentionned in every book spoken about human body.

This is a game forum, not one of your "spoken books". "Anus" is not a common word here, except in your posts.

Rushing throught the atlantic coast to get each and every VP provinces take long time with one Unit...

You don't need FRA's VP provinces - you need them to lose national provinces. Those along the Channel and Atlantic are generally undefended if you move quickly enough - so getting the needed 25% by taking Normandy & Brittany is far easier than heavy fighting on the way to Vichy. I can't remember ever taking it.

 

[Communazi]

As Germany, i'd definitely say Gibraltar & Suez to give Italy a chance to distract the allies in africa.

Assuming that Barbarossa and Sealion are a success, I think the focus then changes to Iceland/Greenland/The Azores.

 

[unmerged(50037)]

When I play as the US I always deploy a few troops on Guam and fortify it with coastal forts and AA guns to have a really good base against the Japanese when (and if) they attack

 

[unmerged(13991)]

Peace love kiss kiss (ambassador G'Kar babylon 5)....

 

[unmerged(44346)]

my postS? Can you find a second post of mine where I use that word? If not, you simply are doing a grammatical error, hard to believe from someone who stand to protect the forum usage. Anyway it's a common word, not a vulgar one. Also, about how important, anus is very important part of the human body, without it it would be difficult to evacuate ... Or are oyu simply shocked because I refered to some body parts, I know some people are so puritain they can not accept any reference to them because it could be assimilate to reproduction act ... It is that? lol


About France, I think I gived the snippet for Vichy event, so there is some key provinces. I will not insult you by saying wich one, I am sure someone of your experience know it well. What you describe is only one of the avalaible solution , and that solution does NOT fit my way of playing. Using just some few divisons to attack on the same time France and Poland, I can not divert any of the quickest and easiest way to achieve victory. your way is great when you have 100+ divs, if only the 63 original (germany + austrian + czeck ARM), it would be a waste to proceed as you say.

control = { province = 56 data = -1 } # Paris
lost_national = { country = FRA value = 25 } # At least 25% of national provinces lost

OR = {
random = 25
lost_national = { country = FRA value = 40 }
}

OR = {
control = { province = 320 data = FRA } # France controls Vichy
control = { province = 320 data = GER } # Germany controls Vichy
}

So that is 3 ways to trigger Vichy event:

1) you just have 25 % of the french provinces, so there is also 25% of chance every 3 days to have Vichy event triggered

2) you have 40 % of the French provinces then it triger immediatly

3) Vichy is NOT controled by France nor by Germany , then it will NOT trigger Vichy event.

so sorry , but Vichy is important, at least it's important to not allow third party troops to walk there ( exemple, a Hungrian corp who take it, assuming they are allied with you but oyu do not military control them).

So I do prefer to attack by Lille, heading to Paris, taking the whole Gatinois+Picardie, then to vichy, and by then going to Bordeaux, no divisions or corps in Massif central. Usually Poland die the 10 th of september, France is out before the 5th of october and UK islands are taken before the 01/01/1940.As well Benelux fall during the same time as France. All made without building any DIV ( let say just navy + 17 INT that is all).

So even if my way to speak, or my humor is not your taste, you should not pretend things are not possible because you simply never did it ... Have yo usimply ever think other could think 'out the box' and also have very good result (I am not pretending my way of play is the only correct, I am strongly claiming it's way of play that is viable and give outstanding result, even if during a short time it make some remote provinces very important).

I also precise I do play only in SP, so my comments are not correct for MP games, and I do believe in MP games the way you use to play should be better than mine

Zing!

He got you there guys.

I'm always having to beat Hungary in the famed "race for vichy" that's if Argentina doesn't get there first of course.

 

[unmerged(13745)]

Every single province i occupy tends to be important... to me atleast

 

[unmerged(13991)]

yes,

in fact if I was not so talkative, i would have say the same . Their importance is relative to the goal we have.

 

[unmerged(51709)]

For my Germany games I'd say definitely Moscow, Leningrad, Stalingrad, Baku and Sverdlovsk... cause if you manage to trigger BP, usually the rest of a game is a piece of cake. A close second comes "any coastal province on the British Isle", a while after that "any Canadian coastal province"

 

[Permanganate]

...Using just some few divisons to attack on the same time France and Poland, I can not divert any of the quickest and easiest way to achieve victory.

The quickest and easiest way to get victory is to capture undefended French national provinces. Dijon & Vichy are defended, often by a dozen or more divisions. The Atlantic Coast probably doesn't have a single one.

So that is 3 ways to trigger Vichy event:

That's two ways, a a condition that needs to be true for either of them. The two ways boil down to to 'capture provinces'. Not 'fight half the French army' and certainly not 'take Vichy' (who's going to capture it from France before you reach 25%, unless you're cheesy enough to invade from Spain?). Vichy just isn't important.

...at least it's important to not allow third party troops to walk there ( exemple, a Hungrian corp who take it, assuming they are allied with you but oyu do not military control them).

No, since they're attacking out of your territory, they'll capture it for you.

So even if my way to speak, or my humor is not your taste, you should not pretend things are not possible because you simply never did it ... Have yo usimply ever think other could think 'out the box' and also have very good result...

Attacking several provinces full of 12+ divisions when I could attack undefended provinces is not thinking 'out of the box', it's just stupid. The best thing that will happen to you is that you take thousands of casualties you didn't need to. I don't need to fight the French in Dijon and Vichy, I just need to shove the Dyle Plan idiots into a corner or into the Channel while I capture 25% of France. Move fast enough and 40% is only a few days after.

We are getting far off topic here. I only mentioned the thread topic once in this post, and it's not short.

 

[unmerged(45271)]

Molotov.

Molotov´s torpan maa is important to me too.

 

[him_15]

HongKong for sure!

 

[unmerged(52546)]

look if you really want to control the world there is no better providence than Blue Mountain in oregon/washington region. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

just kidding, im not even sure it has any value.

Oh and Batman in turkey, that is also vital to world domination.

 

[SirGrotius]

This is an interesting discussion--does anyone have any input on what provinces are key to the Eastern Front?

 

[unmerged(46430)]

Words

Shutup. Just stop, no one wants to hear your whiny arguments where you fight valiantly to defend your E-honor.

When you say most important provinces in every GC do you take into account the nation you play as well? As Germany, for example, Malaysia is worth nothing to you since you won't (realistically) capture it. Yet as the UK or Japan they can make or break your game.

This is an interesting discussion--does anyone have any input on what provinces are key to the Eastern Front?

The entire Ukraine is rich in resources including metal, coal, and rare materials. As Germany Metal and coal aren't needed that badly but they do make a nice surplus to fund your puppet states that have no resources at all. Im looking at you Slovakia!

Continuing on, Leningrad, Murmansk, Moscow, Archangelisk, Baku and Stalingrad are all within Germany's reach and very important. All VP provinces are valuable to Germany in order to get the bitter peace.

 

[unmerged(39735)]

I've never found it necessary to take Vichy. The Vichy France event usually fires off before I make it to Vichy.

Playing as Germany I find the most important strategic provinces to be:

1. Gibraltar
2. Suez
3. Copenhagen
4. Istanbul

This locks up the Med so Italy doesn't immediately get crushed by the Allies, frees Germany from having to worry about an allied landing in northern Germany, keeps Russia locked out of the Med and gives you a quick path to oil from Baku/Persia/Iraq, etc.

For resources I'd say the priority would be to capture enemy capitals so you get their stockpiles, early in the war the obvious targets would be Paris and then Moscow. The minor countries you take like Poland, Yugo, etc provide a small boost but not enough to make much difference. The majors all provide a huge boost.

 

[blue emu]

For resources I'd say the priority would be to capture enemy capitals so you get their stockpiles, early in the war the obvious targets would be Paris and then Moscow. The minor countries you take like Poland, Yugo, etc provide a small boost but not enough to make much difference. The majors all provide a huge boost.

The Dutch capital is very rich in resources, but you have to take it from the West... if you approach it from the East, that triggers the "Dutch Capitulation" event, which moves the stockpile out of your reach.

 

[NAG]

The Dutch capital is very rich in resources, but you have to take it from the West... if you approach it from the East, that triggers the "Dutch Capitulation" event, which moves the stockpile out of your reach.

Or capture it before big war.

 

[blue emu]

Or capture it before big war.

Nope... no such condition.

trigger = {
		ai = yes
		war = { country = GER country = HOL }
		control = { province = 1628 data = -1 } # must control Batavia 
		NOT = { 
			control = { province = 77 data = HOL }
			control = { province = 78 data = HOL }
			control = { province = 79 data = HOL }
		}
	}

The only conditions are:

AI is playing Holland.
Holland is at War with Germany.
Holland controls Batavia.
Holland has lost the Arnhem area (ie: under attack from the East).

As I said... attack them from the West (or by Amphibious Invasion) if you want to loot their stockpiles.

 

[shivan]

Historically Singapore was a very important province in South East asia. There was where all the trade routes of the region met. I just dont think this is properly reflected in the game.

 

[unmerged(13991)]

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