Strategic Redeployment costs MORE fuel?

[oda3333]

Just read it on the Quickstart Guide,page 6.
"...could order it to move using Strategic Redeployment, which
moves the unit more quickly by rail at a higher supply and fuel cost."
Am I the only one who thinks that a Panzer division transported by train should actually SAVE more supply and fuel compare with move by itself?

 

[blue emu]

Just read it on the Quickstart Guide,page 6.
"...could order it to move using Strategic Redeployment, which
moves the unit more quickly by rail at a higher supply and fuel cost."
Am I the only one who thinks that a Panzer division transported by train should actually SAVE more supply and fuel compare with move by itself?

Perhaps they mean "more fuel per day"... if it's substantially quicker, that's still less fuel total.

 

[wolf1455]

your supply system cant transport full supply when its used for strategic redeployment.
Maybee it goes under supply attrition?

 

[Alex_brunius]

Am I the only one who thinks that a Panzer division transported by train should actually SAVE more supply and fuel compare with move by itself?

No I agree with you here.

Instead of implementing unrealistic penalties I think they should limit SR with realistic penalties such as severe penalties to org or combat performance.

Perhaps they mean "more fuel per day"... if it's substantially quicker, that's still less fuel total.

That wouldn't make it SR though. Since strategic is deployment via train and such, not a short sprint. Consuming fuel at all means the tanks aren't transported via train.

 

[GarfunkeL]

I find it hard to believe that the Beta's would let something like this slip. It's either a typo or it's like blue emu said: because SR is much quicker than normal movement, you end up saving fuel.

 

[Alexander Seil]

I wouldn't put much stock into this Quickstart Guide. It also says that you have to have at least 2 brigades in a division. Which was true at some point - but this point was 6 months ago.

 

[Johan]

I wouldn't put much stock into this Quickstart Guide. It also says that you have to have at least 2 brigades in a division. Which was true at some point - but this point was 6 months ago.

yes you do..

else its not a division, but a single brigade.

 

[e_quality]

yes you do..

else its not a division, but a single brigade.

OK. So no single brigade divisions are allowed?

 

[unmerged(18239)]

yes you do..

else its not a division, but a single brigade.

:rofl: That one made my day!

OK. So no single brigade divisions are allowed?

They are allowed but are not called divisions but brigades. Which means you can have a heavy panzer brigade made up with Tigers playing firemen on the Eastern front.

 

[Wulf145]

Just read it on the Quickstart Guide,page 6.
"...could order it to move using Strategic Redeployment, which
moves the unit more quickly by rail at a higher supply and fuel cost."
Am I the only one who thinks that a Panzer division transported by train should actually SAVE more supply and fuel compare with move by itself?

But if you take an Infantry division as your example it would be OK.
Maybe the Strategic Movment has a fixed Supply & Fuel cost, which would be higher than normal for non-moterised divisions, but lower for Motorised divisions.
Before we get all worked up over it lets wait and see how it is implemented in the release version.

 

[Alexander Seil]

yes you do..

else its not a division, but a single brigade.

I thought you always insisted that every piece on the gameboard was a division, even if it had only one brigade in it? I.e., the "division" is the generic term for the land unit pieces?

Anyway, from what I understand we do have one-brigade divisions...given that they're all over the screenshots.

 

[Wulf145]

OK. So no single brigade divisions are allowed?

IIRC Johan stated this also in a DD or in its thread several months ago.

 

[e_quality]

They are allowed but are not called divisions but brigades. Which means you can have a heavy panzer brigade made up with Tigers playing firemen on the Eastern front.

Ah, OK, of course. Thanx a bunch for clearing that up.

 

[XHR]

(...)
Anyway, from what I understand we do have one-brigade divisions...given that they're all over the screenshots.

Yeah. We do. They can be split off regular divisions and moved around like it can be seen. I do not know, however, if they can be built separately.

 

[e_quality]

I thought you always insisted that every piece on the gameboard was a division, even if it had only one brigade in it? I.e., the "division" is the generic term for the land unit pieces?

Anyway, from what I understand we do have one-brigade divisions...given that they're all over the screenshots.

This was exactly my understanding as well. But apparently a brigade is now a brigade.

 

[Alex_brunius]

But if you take an Infantry division as your example it would be OK.

Well it does say higher cost. All the jeeps, mcs and trucks of a normal Infantry division would also need less repairs when moved by train. They would need less supplies also because it doesn't need to be distributed but can be kept near the train stations. And because a units that is marching or fighting consumes more of everything.

Maybe the Strategic Movment has a fixed Supply & Fuel cost, which would be higher than normal for non-moterised divisions, but lower for Motorised divisions.
Before we get all worked up over it lets wait and see how it is implemented in the release version.

It does say they have "a higher supply and fuel cost." I agree we need to wait and see but also thinks the most logical interpretation is that all divisions need more.

 

[unmerged(18239)]

This was exactly my understanding as well. But apparently a brigade is now a brigade.

If you build a single brigade you have to attach it to a division. If you build a division it has to have at least two brigades. But I guess you can detach one of these brigades and let it move as a seperate brigade. I have seen a unit counter designated 'X' and thus a brigade, not a divisions.

Will check to be sure when I have the time....

 

[Alexander Seil]

If you build a single brigade you have to attach it to a division. If you build a division it has to have at least two brigades. But I guess you can detach one of these brigades and let it move as a seperate brigade. I have seen a unit counter designated 'X' and thus a brigade, not a divisions.

Will check to be sure when I have the time....

I thought I saw a separate "brigade" tab in the Production interface? That's probably where you produce 'em...

 

[Baneslave]

I thought I saw a separate "brigade" tab in the Production interface? That's probably where you produce 'em...

Link

Yep, there is brigade attachment button.

 

[unmerged(65128)]

If you build a single brigade you have to attach it to a division. If you build a division it has to have at least two brigades. But I guess you can detach one of these brigades and let it move as a seperate brigade. I have seen a unit counter designated 'X' and thus a brigade, not a divisions.

Will check to be sure when I have the time....

I like this. Then one can build up a sort of Kampfgruppe with brigades from various divisions just like the germans did in preparation for the Ardenner offensive.