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yea, i hope they attach a lot more importance to strat bombing as in the war this was the most talked about, they made movies about it.
 

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In the interview it says:

In Hearts of Iron 2 aircrafts will be assigned to a base and from there they can be assigned missions like air superiority, strategic bombing or logistical strike, as well as a target area to attack. The units will automatically perform their missions until the province is occupied or the units have been eliminated.

So that might answer your questions.

Btw: It's been a while Muckypup... ;)
 
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what exactly does 'air superiority' entail?

sup J.J.E. :)
 

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Maybe you'll have to assigne few "strategic bombers" to bomb ex: Northen Germany and without all this micromanagment provinces in this region will have lower IC. :confused: I agree I don't like strategic bombing in HOI1 you can destory all "factories" in Berlin in one day and after less than a month it'll be like a new one :wacko:
 

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Quivis said:
Maybe you'll have to assigne few "strategic bombers" to bomb ex: Northen Germany and without all this micromanagment provinces in this region will have lower IC. :confused: I agree I don't like strategic bombing in HOI1 you can destory all "factories" in Berlin in one day and after less than a month it'll be like a new one :wacko:

Yes, it should do much less damage; but be permanent sometimes.

OTOH I think they mean that if you bomb a city; it will be in flames and ashes for some parts; and won't be able to function for a week or so ... So the HOI1 system is ok too; but some damage should be kept :).

Berlin was largely destroyed once they got there; in HOI1 this is impossible to implement.
 

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i hope you can focus either on IC or infrastructure or balanced. sometimes you need to cut off reinforcements or slow an advance etc sometimes you want to pummel the factories.
 

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jacob-Lundgren said:
i hope you can focus either on IC or infrastructure or balanced. sometimes you need to cut off reinforcements or slow an advance etc sometimes you want to pummel the factories.

totaly agreed..

there should be another option under strategic bombing like
1-attack ic
2-attack infrastructure
3-attack mines (steel , oil whatever)
4-atack civils (too cruel?) (maybe this should give some dissent both countries...)
 

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This thing about strategic bombing should not go too far. Strategic bombardments by allies were not the decisive factor in Germany's lose. I recently saw a document somewhere, which had studied the effects of strategic bombing. It said, that the industrial damage by bombings wasn't very destructive and factories usually recovered in a day or two. And the continuos air raids only strengthened german will to fight(revenge). Though I quess the bombings of Germany had some positive effect on british civilians spirit... Most devastaing air raids are against convoys and land supply, but they belong to "tactical bombardment".
 

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bizkit said:
totaly agreed..

there should be another option under strategic bombing like
4-atack civils (too cruel?) (maybe this should give some dissent both countries...)
It won't be in "Strategic bombing in HoI2 will be abstracted and not allow you to terror bomb civilians specifically"
 

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part of the idea behind strategic bombing is also to wear down the enemies airforce and keep it home, as well as getting them to build more aa guns then artillery guns. the more fighters they need home the less they are able to organize bombing of their own :)
 

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what exactly does 'air superiority' entail?

sup J.J.E. :)


Air superiority missions are performed to achieve just that; superiority in the air, either through fighter sweeps or by attacking, or threatening to attack, key targets so that the enemy will be forced to commit his fighters, thereby allowing his fighters to be intercepted and destroyed. Air superiority missions are also used to achieve control of the air over a particular battlefield so that friendly air can be brought to bear while at the same time preventing the enemy from doing so.
 

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metto said:
This thing about strategic bombing should not go too far. Strategic bombardments by allies were not the decisive factor in Germany's lose. I recently saw a document somewhere, which had studied the effects of strategic bombing. It said, that the industrial damage by bombings wasn't very destructive and factories usually recovered in a day or two. And the continuos air raids only strengthened german will to fight(revenge). Though I quess the bombings of Germany had some positive effect on british civilians spirit... Most devastaing air raids are against convoys and land supply, but they belong to "tactical bombardment".

Maybe it was not the most important factor, but certainly took a place in germany's defeat. You are right in one thing though. The production capacity (in ammo, tanks, planes) of Germany did not decrease until the very end of the war. The main point is that their enemy's grew much faster!
 

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And that Germany had to put a considerable amount of resources into the air defense of the Reich.

IIRC, during 44 the AA artillery in germany used allmost half of the ammo produced in that year.

This is not modeled in HOI apart from the fact that building AA defenses temporarily reduces the amount of IP in the province.
Once you build them, they don't cost you a thing anymore. Maybe they should use supplies?
 

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Landa said:
And that Germany had to put a considerable amount of resources into the air defense of the Reich.

IIRC, during 44 the AA artillery in germany used allmost half of the ammo produced in that year.

This is not modeled in HOI apart from the fact that building AA defenses temporarily reduces the amount of IP in the province.
Once you build them, they don't cost you a thing anymore. Maybe they should use supplies?

Yes, they should.
And also, they should be a little mobile also (don't know how or at what price, but they should)
 

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Yes, they should.
And also, they should be a little mobile also (don't know how or at what price, but they should)

No, they shouldn't be mobile. The types of AA we're building in the provinces are the big, fixed guns. Now, if we could build AA units, sure, let them move, slowly.
 

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No, they shouldn't be mobile. The types of AA we're building in the provinces are the big, fixed guns. Now, if we could build AA units, sure, let them move, slowly.

I don't see why a group of guns can't be removed from one province and be taken to another. Even if it takes time and ressources.
:eek:o
 

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I don't see why a group of guns can't be removed from one province and be taken to another. Even if it takes time and ressources.
:eek:o


Take a look at the flak towers the Germans built around Berlin :) It's not simply a matter of moving the guns, it's moving all the support elements, from the supply and administrative elements to the organizations and infrastructure that let the guns shoot effectively. It's analogous with the modern practice of not shipping heavy kit back from overseas deployments; it's cheaper to build new than to ship the old stuff.