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But not the king of germany thou.

Like prussia used title of King in Prussia, until partition of poland. After it took all of prussia, it was changed into Kingdom of Prussia.

This is totaly different thing - King of Germans, and King of Germany (Like King of Franks, and King of France).

Problem is, the title of the ruler of the Kingdom of Germany was King of the German. The Kingdoms of Germany, Bohemia, Italy and Burgundy used to be the administrative subsections of the Holy Roman Empire, though of course they became rather obsolete with time. The minor title of the emperor, King of the Germans, reflected that. It becomes rather fishy once Maximilian I adopts the title emperor-elect, but the Kingdom of Germany and the king of the Germans are not exactly different entities. (The king of France, incidentally, is the same thing as the king of the Franks with full legal continuity. The sole difference is a change in perspective.)
 
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King of germans is king of people who call themself germans. King of germany, is sovereign ruler of territory called germany, that is a king over that land. None of the emperors, was de facto rulling germany, and the lords of those regions defied his rule most of the time - the rulers in the domain were independent, they only owed part of their levies during war, but there was no way the emperor could enforce this - because he was ussualy very weak. Only way emperor could enforce his rule over any land was war - like when austria conquered northern italy. The title : King of germans, did not meant he ruled over germany, nor did he had claims - but that he ruled over germans - even if not over all.

Same as with Kingdom IN prussia - elector of brandenburg, couldn't say he is kingdom of prussians, as he did not ruled over all of prussia - but he wanted to show that his title is higher, than other electors, and members of holy roman empire.
 

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No matter that German lords defied the emperor, they still owed some allegiance to him. He was, de jure, if not de facto, their sovereign, and until the Peace of Westphalia remained their de facto suzerain. Even afterwards, the empire still was subject to the emperor. The title "King of the Germans", incidentally, was invented by the pope (Gregory VII, I think) during the Investiture Contest as a slight, since at the time the emperor used the styles of rex Romanorum and Imperator Augustus Romanorum. When the pope began to call him rex Teutonicorum, it was a) an insult because it implied the emperor had no right to exert temporal rule over Italy, as a Barbarian, and b) correct since, at the time, the emperor as King of the Germans was as much a monarch and king in his Kingdom of Germany as the Kings of France and England were in their own realms. We don't call John Lackland King of the English just because his barons defied him. You will note that titles such as rex Francorum, rex Anglorum, rex Teutonicorum are remnants from their semi-tribal past. I'll grant you that one reason that the Empire never switched to rex Germaniae (as France switched to rex Franciae and England to rex Angliae) might be the strength of the great stem dukes of Germany, but that is really a matter of semantics. The only thing that changed, for example, in the switch from rex Francorum to rex Franciae was the realisation that a) the king of France no longer ruled over the East Frankish realm and b) no one really knew what it was supposed to be anymore. Case in point, the King of Sweden used to be called the King of Goths and Wends until the 1960s.

The Kingdom of Prussia is an entirely different case for two interconnected reasons: a), Brandenburg held the duchy of East Prussia in fief to the king of Poland; i.e. he owed allegiance to it. That dates from the secularisation of the Teutonic Order's Terra Mariana during the Reformation. b), BRANDENBURG was held in fief to the King of the Germans, the emperor, who had granted it unto the House of Hohenzollern in 1415. Since calling himself King of Prussia would have implied diplomatic and legal equality with the King of the Germans (though not the Emperor) that was forbidden to Frederick I, but Prussia lay outside the borders of the Kingdom of Germany, and the Emperor allowed his vassal to hold Prussia as a sovereign state. In other words, Frederick I was the independent king "of" Prussia, but since he also was a vassal of the King of the Germans in the Margraviate of Brandenburg and his other holdings, he had no right to kingship outside the duchy of Prussia. The adoption of "King of Prussia" in 1772 had little to do, legally, with the First Partition of Poland, but rather more with Frederick the Great being kind of a dick. You may note in passing, by the way, that the Archduchy of Austria always remained an Archduchy instead of being elevated to a kingdom, though it was held by the Emperor, because it was legally part of the Austrian Reichskreis and thus of the Kingdom of Germany (held by the emperor).
 

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After a very unlucky start a 15k strong army of Lombard patriots rose up in Verona (which Venice took from me then Austria from Venice) and captured it along with Treviso and Friuli, which then all defected to me. After that they marched through my holdings to Savoy and completely buggered them up, capturing Piedmont, Cuneo and Nice, then this happened
I had the same thing in my game as Switzerland... I was fighting Austria and funded patriots in Sundgau. The rebels took Sundgau and then went on to siege and occupy all other provinces with Rheinlander culture, all which eventually defected to me. I think I ended up with +3 yearly infamy from all those unlawful territories, so I had to release some of them as vassals. Don't think it's intended to work like this?
 

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I know this might not be strange but it is certainly funny:

I am invading the Norwegian kingdom of Akershus (MOD:Septrentrionalis Universalis) and at the siege of the city of Rakkestad, something rather funny happended:
(During the assault)

- COME ON LETS GO, GO, GO!!!

- DON´T LET THEM TAKE THE CITY!!!

- Oh... Its getting dark... EVERYONE FALL BACK! ITS NAP TIME!!!

- ZZZZZZZ....

- Oh crap that was close, how are the rest of you holding up? ... Uh... hello? Guys...? OH no they´re dead. ALL OF THEM DEAD! Except for me... OH THAT´S JUST GREAT! Now I am supposed to defend the entire city by myself? WELL FANTASTIC! I might as well open the gates for them...

http://www.imagebam.com/image/2fbf4c259973513
 

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I know this might not be strange but it is certainly funny:

I am invading the Norwegian kingdom of Akershus (MOD:Septrentrionalis Universalis) and at the siege of the city of Rakkestad, something rather funny happended:
(During the assault)

- COME ON LETS GO, GO, GO!!!

- DON´T LET THEM TAKE THE CITY!!!

- Oh... Its getting dark... EVERYONE FALL BACK! ITS NAP TIME!!!

- ZZZZZZZ....

- Oh crap that was close, how are the rest of you holding up? ... Uh... hello? Guys...? OH no they´re dead. ALL OF THEM DEAD! Except for me... OH THAT´S JUST GREAT! Now I am supposed to defend the entire city by myself? WELL FANTASTIC! I might as well open the gates for them...

http://www.imagebam.com/image/2fbf4c259973513
Mod?
 

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The amount of Personal Unions is too damn high!!!

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After a very unlucky start a 15k strong army of Lombard patriots rose up in Verona (which Venice took from me then Austria from Venice) and captured it along with Treviso and Friuli, which then all defected to me. After that they marched through my holdings to Savoy and completely buggered them up, capturing Piedmont, Cuneo and Nice, then this happened:
EU3_11.jpg

They are currently besieging Liguria.

And this, note the date.
EU3_3.jpg

What causes the "Country has collapsed" event? I understand they are occupied but I've occupied entire countries before without a collapse.
 

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Yeah, I know. But it is still kind of weird.. The naming should be made according to the general geographic region, and not by which country controlled it before. In this case it should be Dutch North America.