Strange Crown Authority Phenomenon Question

[OldRanger]

Playing as Ireland, have expanded and taken a little of Wales and a chunk of England. I have a troublesome Duke who I want to revoke his titles (first game in very far and made some bad decisions). He has holdings in Wales, England, and Ireland. If I go to revoke a title in Ireland or Wales, no problem (I have medium crown authority). If I go to revoke a title that is in the de jure borders of England it says I lack the crown authority. This seems like a bug.

Key point: I am King of Ireland, but not Wales or England. So, am I stuck with the English King's crown authority in England; seems odd given that he is often my enemy. If I finally usurp the English throne will the crown authority and succession law change to what I have it set for Ireland or is there a way to change it? Surely I would not be stuck with the mess the English King has now I hope.

Follow-up question: Is there anyway to change the succession laws of my vassal Dukes independent of my crown succession law?

Thanks for the help.

 

[Ahaz Flagg]

You will have to change it if you usurp it. Have your tried to banish him? I am pretty sure that will get rid of him form your realm including his English holdings, not 100% sure though!! As far as i know each Duke/Duchess can set their own inheritence laws. It can be a real pain dealing with so many de jures. Have fun!!

 

[Blitzzer]

Banishment makes all your vassals hate your guts, justified or not. It's useful, since banishment = revokement of ALL titles, but all your other vassals will hate you all the more if you banish a vassal who holds a lot of titles.

If you usurp other crowns, they will have their own laws which you will have to modify and keep an eye on. The english crown might have some other succession law going on, different from your Ireland one. You don't want to grab a kingdom with elective, only to have the vassals under THAT crowns authority elect some random duke with high diplomacy as king. Then again, I guess it would be educational seeing an independent kingdom of England emerge suddenly when your character dies...

Easiest way to deal with this would be to conquer entire de jure duchies form England and let the kingdom of Ireland drift in there. Takes a 100 years but they'll be under your de jure then. Once everything has been assimilated into Ireland, you can create the other kingdoms in the british isles as titular, meaning they don't have any de jure lands, meaning nobody will desire the crowns and hate you for holding them.
You can see de jure map modes by clicking one of the buttons in the lower right corner of the screen, next to the minimap.

Oh yeah, and to anser your actual question: if one of your vassals holds counties outside his de jure, you can usually revoke them via plot. Go to intrigue tab, select available plots and see if you can't find your pesky vassal there.

 

[Ahaz Flagg]

Ya banishment is harsh,but it works to get your realm in order. I do not fear being a tyrant, I will revoke if I do not like the rulers names. All about on how you want to rp it. I rp it as I am the ruler, and that is all there is to it.

 

[OldRanger]

If you usurp other crowns, they will have their own laws which you will have to modify and keep an eye on. The english crown might have some other succession law going on, different from your Ireland one. You don't want to grab a kingdom with elective, only to have the vassals under THAT crowns authority elect some random duke with high diplomacy as king. Then again, I guess it would be educational seeing an independent kingdom of England emerge suddenly when your character dies...

I guess I will have to keep an eye on how to change all the crown laws in England if/when I get it. What a mess. Took me quite a while to Ireland set the way I am liking it. Hopefully the interface for that will be clear. At present am I stuck with their tax levels too for my holding in England, didn't check that.

Easiest way to deal with this would be to conquer entire de jure duchies form England and let the kingdom of Ireland drift in there. Takes a 100 years but they'll be under your de jure then. Once everything has been assimilated into Ireland, you can create the other kingdoms in the british isles as titular, meaning they don't have any de jure lands, meaning nobody will desire the crowns and hate you for holding them.
You can see de jure map modes by clicking one of the buttons in the lower right corner of the screen, next to the minimap.

Wow, this is a mechanic I did not know about at all. So, if I hold a Dutchy for 100 years it becomes part of my de jure Kingdom and subject to my laws. Wow, that creates an interesting dilema as to whether I want the English crown to accelerate conquest of England, but have to deal with their fouled up crown laws, or just wait 2 generations (long time) to let my Irish crown laws "drift in".

Couldn't afford the banishment popularity hit. Used a plot to pick off a not de jure county, but your mentioning that you can only do that with non de jure holdings was a big help because it clarified why I can't use plots with other holding or other vassals.

What a complex game.

 

[Malibu Stacey]

FYI you don't need to hold a Duchy yourself for de jure drift to occur. As long as it's either held by someone in your realm or doesn't exist but you hold all the counties which are de jure for that Duchy it'll drift.

e.g. As Scotland I took Northumberland as I start off with Cumberland already in my realm. This means I can create/usurp the Duchy of Northumberland which gives me de jure casus belli for Durham. After I conquered Durham I destroyed the Duchy of Northumberland. 100 years later I get the notification that the Duchy of Northumberland is now considered de jure a part of the Kingdom of Scotland (then I conquered England so it doesn't matter either way for me in this case as I now hold both Kingdom titles).