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Specialist290 The truth is for the first 50 or so years of the game England was like a never ending soap opera - you never quite knew what was going to happen next. Not mentioned, but there were various rebellions here and there as well. You ended up with a slightly odd situation whereby you have a mostly Norman nobility (only the Hwicce of the main A-S dynasties to stay in power) but with an Anglo-Saxon king.

As for the story, oh I imagine so. Just another little gift the game gave me. One thing I slightly regret as my realm has expanded (I am now in the 1280s, and am a little - bigger - as it were) is that I have less time just to be curious about what is going on in other realms.

AsantaheneThe essential difference is that an excommunication is aimed squarely at an individual, whereas an interdict prevents certain holy rites (principally the Communion rite) being held in public in a particular place. Sometimes interdicts would be applied to specific places, and sometimes to the realms of particular rulers. You can think of it being the ultimate spiritual blackmail to a people/ruler - don't sharpen up your act then you and everyone you know will be spiritually condemned.

All Working on a larger update, mostly done, so should be able to post it by the end of the weekend.
 

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Thanks for the clarification. Very helpful :D
 

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Stories of King Sean
8 - The Four Queens

Mediaeval history is often a parade of men, and there are even fairly good reasons for this given the views that existed until relatively recently – it was the men who were seen to shape events. Women rarely rose to a situation where they had that opportunity. However, some fields of history are even more hide-bound than others, perhaps none more so than Irish history. Indeed, it was not even a women, but a man – St Croix – who first concentrated academic attentions on how the women in King Sean’s life – in particular his four wives – provide new ways to understand this most celebrated of men. What follows is an edited version of an article that first appeared in the Reader’s Digest. In particular the entries on Sean’s mother and sister have been left aside.

King Sean’s first wife was the Lady Lucija Trpimirovic, daughter of the King of Croatia. This has been generally been regarded as being an odd match from two very disparate parts of Christendom. However, this marriage tells us a great deal about the aspirations and political machinations that are almost always present in royal marriages.

King Domnall had re-formed the Kingdom of Tara, but it would be fair to say his new kingdom had very little real legitimacy. It existed because of the force of his will, not through any precedent or real tradition. Meanwhile Croatia, though acknowledged as being regal rank, was largely overshadowed by the Kings of Bohemia and Hungary, not to mention both the German and Greek Emperors. A match between these two houses therefore became mutually agreeable – for King Domnall a royal bride for his son and heir was a sign of status. For the Croat king it allowed him to behave in a majesterial fashion – sending a daughter to a far and distant land being something more imperial. In this it was pure theatre, but for both rulers involved very useful theatre even so.

Of course, it was not just theatre. For all the pomp and political posturings there are some very real dynastic purposes to a marriage, and unfortunately the marriage of King Sean and Lady Lucija was childless for many years. It was only after King Sean’s Papal Absolution did his wife finally conceive – some at the time regarded that as its own sign – and in due course the young Prince Fiachnae was born. Lady Lucija however did not get a chance to enjoy motherhood as she passed away within a few days of her son’s birth, perhaps of internal bleeding.

From King Sean’s perspective, one infant son did not a secure succession make. He needed another wife, and now it was that his father’s scheming had an unintentional benefit. The German Emperor – Kaiser Heinrich V – had noted Croatia’s ambitions and sought to emphasise his own imperial ambitions. His chosen method was to offer King Sean his daughter Ida – to send to Tara a full-fledged Imperial Princess. This is the standard explanation for the second marriage, and while I believe it contains truth, it is far from the whole reality.

During the early part of the twelfth century the German Empire and France were engaged in a many-layered struggle for the dominance of Lotharingia. This has naturally brought in the English Kings, who proved to be natural allies of the German Emperors as a result of their own disputes with the French King – and also because Germany provided a check on further potentially adventurers making a play for England’s crown, as they were largely based in Denmark. King Sighere the Great had by now entered his majority, and notwistanding the long-standing connections between his house and Tara saw in King Sean a natural ally. The Scots had informally allied with France, has had the little King of Brittany. In turn he was seeking influence with some of the smaller Irish lordlings, including Tyrconnel and Munster. The Scottish king was sympathetic to the designs of King Sean’s sister, and Munster in particular was possibly Tara’s only real rival on Ireland. The marriage of King Sean and Princess Ida thus became an extension of the alliance politics of the day, which indeed extended throughout the entirety of Latin Christendom.

From King Sean’s perspective though there was another very significant advantage – being given an Imperial Princess as bride was as sure a signal of the regal status of his family as could be conceived. It was more than recognition: it was acceptance into the royal club.

What no one expected, not King Sean, King Sighere, Kaiser Heinrich, or indeed the Princess Ida herself, was that the newlyweds would fall in love. It is clear both parties went into this marriage with their eyes open. King Sean, parricide and widower, already knew about the realities of the world, and as for Princess Ida the Imperial Court was no place for innocents. The accounts that have survived of the wedding present a royal couple who put on a good show, but were nevertheless playing the role. Things appear to have changed that following winter. What precisely happened has been forever lost, but thereafter every written source remarks how the King and Queen spent nearly every waking moment in each other’s company, oftentimes in fierce defiance of tradition. We hear tales of the great tenderness in which they spoke to each other, and of how radiant they appeared together. News of their romance spread throughout Christendom and formed some of the founding traditions of the troubadours in Aquitaine. One man wrote it was as if every moment was too precious to waste, as, of course, it proved to be.

After a few short years Queen Ida died in childbirth. Her son, Prince Tadg, survived, but in a sense he was never healthy of mind. His mother’s death obsessed him, and even in later life when he was the King of Lotharingia under Imperial Aegis he would still claim to converse with her. That was in the future however, and it is not difficult to see how he would be so afflicted – for so was King Sean. He forever mourned his great love, right up until his death as that most famous of letters from the Vatican Archives shows. He is recorded to have remarked on many occasions that he wished he was able to take a vow of celibacy at that time, but his view of his duties as King would not allow it, to his great and enduring grief.

After all, the marriage to a reigning monarch is a powerful asset for any state, and should not needlessly be cast away for purely personal reasons. Thus it became time to search for a new bride, and the choice eventually fell upon the Danish Princess, the Lady Kristen. The situation in Latin Christendom had gotten exceedingly tense by that time, and war would shortly follow. Part of the agreement between Tara and Denmark was that the latter would cease to support any pretenders to the English throne, and indeed this does appear to have marked the end of England’s dynastic conflict. There was a further element as well, in that the King of Norway had also just gotten involved in Irish affairs, and so the alliance with Denmark provided a useful counter.

King Sean and Queen Kristen were married just after Tara’s first encroachment into the ancient kingdom of Ulster. Their marriage was a more typically royal nature, but successful nevertheless: bereft of love it became a partnership of two talented and committed individuals. Queen Kirsten proved to be able and valued advisor, deftly serving her husband as they went about the process of transforming Tara into the Kingdom of Ireland through the troubled years of the Tyrconnell wars. Given King Sean’s sometimes straightforward nature many historians – and indeed contemporary chroniclers, have detected Queen Kirsten’s hand behind events and one turn or another. The chief reason for their harmony, no doubt, was Queen Kirsten’s ability to handle the ever-seeping wound of her predecessor’s death, perhaps in the same way a Company Chairman might go about managing the bereavement of a conglomerate CEO.

This partnership saw Ireland united, but alas Queen Kirsten’s life was also cruelly cut short. She was killed by an assassin, but it transpired it was her sister who was behind the deed. Some claim this was the result of a long-running child-hood feud, whilst others claim it to be a desperate attempt to re-energise Danish support for yet another adventure the English throne (Queen Kristen’s sister was married to one of King Sighere’s cousins) by annulling the marriage that brought such support to an end. Perhaps the hope was it would induce war between Ireland and Denmark, a war into which England would inevitably be drawn. If so, they had misjudged their man: King Sean very publicly absolved his father-in-law of any wrong-doing in the deed, spoke of him as a friend, and so ended any potential plots. This act displays more than anything else, perhaps, the development of Ireland and King Sean. His marriage to her was partially at the behest of King Sighere (as was his marriage to Queen Ida), which shows the reality of being a relatively minor king in the panoply of nations. Now though he was referring to the King of Denmark as an equal, if not perhaps as a subordinate. Ireland had begun its great ascent.

Thus we turn to King Sean’s fourth wife: Queen Elisebete. King Sean was an older man now, though in modern-terms he was only really middle-aged. He was most devout in his duties to his kingdom, and it appears that the same arguments that led to the Danish marriage still held sway: the prize of Queen of Ireland was a powerful asset, not to be wasted. He used it to look to the future security of his realm by turning to the Kingdom of Galicia.

The on-off wars in France had, by this point, come to a pause. The English possession of Chartres was confirmed, as was German dominion over Flanders. The Capet King decided to pursue other endeavours, waiting for a moment of weakness in their opponents that would not come in his life-time: France was well on the downward slope of its decline, though no one knew yet how lowly they would become. Galicia had been aligned with France, and had twice sent armies to Ireland in the Tyrconnell wars. At that time Galicia was one of the pre-eminent powers in the Iberian peninsular, yet to suffer their collapse into irrelevance. King Sean saw a court with a proven record of intervention in Irish affairs, and a place for exiles to gather. So with the marriage he sought to do with Galicia what his marriage to Kirsten had done between England and Denmark: remove to the dynastic threat.

Of course, King Sean’s heart gave out shortly after the wedding, and so Queen Elisebete's role in Irish history is that of a bit-player, present at only one notable moment. How her personality would have contributed to the latter years of King Sean’s reign we will never know. Shortly after King Sean’s death she discovered she was pregnant, but after giving birth to another Irish Princess she choose to return to her own country. However the political ramifications survived his demise. King Fiachnae never had to worry over-much about disaffected exiles, and his rule in Ireland was never seriously threatened.

The four marriages of King Sean are thus a useful tool to view the various stages of his life and reign. Queen Lucija was in his beginning, and when he and Tara were at their most vulnerable. Queen Ida was the time of his and Tara’s repatriation to the wider community. The marriage to Queen Kirsten was the first time they sought an alliance primarily (not though solely) for their own immediate purposes, and is the time of King Sean’s maturity. Finally with Queen Elisebete is Ireland fully accepted as a regal nation, dealing with other Kings of the first rank as equals.

These were political marriages, cloaked in the ambitions of the times. They were political theatre, and also in one case they helped spawn the great outpouring of romantic culture that would come out of Aquitaine and Provence within a generation: the modern counter-part to King Arthur.
 

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I very much like your opening paragraph, especially since it sets the tone for what you wrote afterward. Nice to see women players in history get recognition, no doubt, often overlooked despite the fact (my most humble opinion) they were just as crucial and important of players throughout a lot of events and periods of ancient history.

But jeez, four marriages! Not only is Sean in a race with Henry VIII, if he keeps on the way he is, he'll make Solomon look like a modest man by comparison! :p
 

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Agreed with volksmarschall. It's nice to see those that traditional history has overlooked get their day in the limelight and an acknowledgement that the women themselves could be active players in the game, even if in necessarily more subtle ways than the men. I also like how the elaborations on their selection and family connections offers a window into contemporary events on the Continent.
 

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Agreed with volksmarschall. It's nice to see those that traditional history has overlooked get their day in the limelight and an acknowledgement that the women themselves could be active players in the game, even if in necessarily more subtle ways than the men. I also like how the elaborations on their selection and family connections offers a window into contemporary events on the Continent.

Yeah, its really unfortunate that women get sideline in history, often by male historians. I mean, we have a "Great Man" Theory of history. Why not a "Great Woman" Theory of history too. Theodora, Maria Theresa, and Catherine the Great are always popular people to study and choose from. Not mention that Theodora really was the power behind Justinian (one of the often listed "Great Men" of history), and Maria Theresa commanded the respect of Frederick the Great (another one of the "great men" who stated he feared her more than anyone else) and created the most powerful army in Europe (if we study the primary sources that all say that Austrian Army under her reign: the artillery, infantry, and cavalry were the best on the continent -- too bad they had otherwise average to incompetent leaders).

So yes, three cheers for stnylan in highlighting the women in Sean's life! :cool: Although I don't think the Church is too happy that he's taken four wives... :p
 

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This AAR gets better and better-great update!
 

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It seems to me the only thing Sean and Henry VIII had in common was that their fathers chose the first wife, in all else Sean was the more pragmatic, sensible and enlightened-towards-women king... then again, he killed his father, but nobody's perfect :rolleyes:
 

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Two excellent updates to savor. The first I liked to get an overview of the larger world, especially welcome as at this point Tara/Ireland is not a particularly powerful player in the European arena.

The second update is even better. Not only do you explain the four marriages and the various roles they played in King Sean's foreign politics, you also give us yet more insight into that larger world, roiling in turmoil all around the Emerald Isle. And then you inserted a few brush strokes, suggestive of so much beyond the immediate scope of the update, with such an economy of words. I enjoyed both the vistas they conjure and your deftness in creating these little nuggets. :)

News of their romance spread throughout Christendom and formed some of the founding traditions of the troubadours in Aquitaine.
And:
Galicia had been aligned with France, and had twice sent armies to Ireland in the Tyrconnell wars. At that time Galicia was one of the pre-eminent powers in the Iberian peninsular, yet to suffer their collapse into irrelevance.
 

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I particularly appreciate the way our view of King Sean's world is informed through the lens of the narrator's emphasis on his real topic - the wives. European dynastic politics, great battles and the rise and fall of dynasties are merely the background of our mural; front and center are the King and his wives.
 

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Thank you all for your very kind replies. Individual replies to your comments in a moment, however first I would like to say this last update is a great example of one aspect of AAR writing that I absolutely love: crafting a plausible historical narrative from a series of game occurrences that may or (more likely) may not be connected. It was just really neat how all the alliances in Western Europe around 1110-30 sort of stacked up between the two "originators" of the conflict.

volksmarschall The importance of women in this time setting is always tricky. Certainly important (in OTL in the exact time period one only has to think of the Empress Maud and Stephen's Queen Mathilda to see how important women could be. That said it is equally true that the culture of the age did usually force people into relatively restricted gender roles, in which women were simply less influential in general. Armed with 21st century sensibilities this sometimes makes addressing these matters rather tricky, because to over-emphasise those roles in general I think is committing a historical error because of imposing modern worldviews on the past. Incidentally my author here I think can probably be accused of a certain degree of tokenism, in so much as he rarely speaks all that much about the various Queens, and more about their role as pawns in the ambitions of their fathers and husband.

Also, he can't really be in a race for Henry VIII. After all, he dies shortly after his fourth marriage, and his earlier three wives all died untimely deaths. For that reason I think the Church would not have too much theological difficulty here. After all, being a widower three times over is quite unfortunate.

Specialist290 I certainly hoped this update would help set events in Ireland in a context, and I am glad I managed that.

Asantahene Thank you very much!

aldriq I am not quite so sure Sean is enlightened, or maybe the fact that he did have to kill his father and spends his early reign concerned his sister is going to kill him makes him appreciate his own family all the more?

StuyvesantThe story of the Iberian peninsular in this game would keep legions of historians, historical novelists, playwrights, and the tv/film industry professionals gainfully employed. Compared to what happened there Ireland/Britain has proven to be quite boring.

Director Thank you very much for the kind words. I am very glad the piece worked.

All A delay on the next update, caused by a rather great indecision of how to portray the next event I want to cover. I think that is now resolved, but of course I now need to write the thing :) Given that I entered the world thirty-five years ago tomorrow this may not happen this weekend :) On a more serious note, seven years ago I was seriously considering suicide. People I met in this forum helped get me through several long dark months. This is truly a great place.
 

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StuyvesantThe story of the Iberian peninsular in this game would keep legions of historians, historical novelists, playwrights, and the tv/film industry professionals gainfully employed. Compared to what happened there Ireland/Britain has proven to be quite boring.

Among the many things I find fascinating about this game are those moments where you look around and discover that the most interesting story in the game isn't even necessarily the one you're creating yourself. Back when adventurer invasions were first introduced, I remember seeing a fairly large chunk of North Africa under a Breton conqueror; while the realm itself crumbled fairly quickly, a number of provinces had gone Catholic by then (and a few had gone Breton as well). I like to imagine that somewhere in that world's "present day" there's some sort of historical adventure / romance film series about a dashing pirate on the Barbary Coast who claims to be both a Sayyid and a descendant of King Arthur (played by that world's version of Errol Flynn, of course).

Best of wishes for your birthday, as well!
 

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Well first off, happy birthday. And second, I'm sure I can speak for the forum when we say, we'll glad to have you back!

Especially since I very fondly remember reading your supposed final farewell, with the very notable and ever enduring play on words/quote, "To view is human, to comment is divine!" ;)
 

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A very happy birthday to you and so glad you stuck around as we wouldn't now be interacting with your good self and loving these fantastic stories! :)