Stoping the Anschluss and Munich Agreement, and other scripted events?

[Kamansky]

Basically I am wondering if there will be any chance for a player who decides to take the hard path of playing either Czechoslovakia or Austria (or others with scripted events focused on them). In games where there is a player as either or both of these countries, do they have a say in the event tree Germany has? Will there be a war option for Austria rather than join Germany, or can they ally with Italy to give Germany pause on their territorial ambitions? Can Czechoslovakia forge a invitation to the Munich Agreement conference and get to put their two cents in on appeasement of Hitler? Perhaps ally with the Soviets as fellow Slavs under threat of Fascism?

While only Major powers currently have National Focus trees dedicated to their particular advancement, the general national focus that all others get seems to leave a very bland approach to forging your own destiny. While this is probably fine with regards to single player games, playing as a lesser power that suffers territorial losses due to events in a multiplayer game keeps them from ever being played.

I am not saying that the Anschluss should not be an event, but seeing as every player knows its coming, the Austrian should have some possible recourse beyond war or acceptance. Perhaps they should vasselize them selves to Lichtenstein?

 

[Sun_Killer]

As player you can stop every of this annexations and go to war over them

 

[elessar90]

As player you can stop every of this annexations and go to war over them

Yeah, I think so. While Poland is able to cede Danzig to Germany, I see no problem for anything like Czechoslovakia refusing the results of Munich Agreement and defend themselves.

It's not about focus tree, it's about event chains, which were always the big part of paradox grand strategy games. National focus just start these chains...

 

[Kamansky]

As player you can stop every of this annexations and go to war over them

What I am looking for really is another option aside from war. Yes you can grab the guns, but what chance will Austria really have without a major alliance. If the Austrian player gets an alliance with Italy, will the Germans look else ware and leave Austria alone.

 

[elessar90]

You don't get alliances for nothing, as far as I know. Italy has it's own plans for Austria and Hitler knew it. So if Austria ally with Italy they could just do it's own 'anschluss'

But I hope there will be some ways to defend with diplomacy, not war.

 

[Sleight of Hand]

I want to see France go to war with Germany over the Rhineland at least once. I definitely want to try it myself.

 

[elessar90]

It's unrelated, but you actually can see that in yesterday's stream when Da9l declares war on france at the very start, Rheinland is considered as enemy (bold red border like in CK2). I don't know what it means exactly, maybe Rheinland considered like france territory de-facto and costs any victory points. Who knows...

Edit: It seems like it also red in Hungary start. It could mean red border is just demilitarized zone or something like that.

 

[Scutatus]

Basically I am wondering if there will be any chance for a player who decides to take the hard path of playing either Czechoslovakia or Austria (or others with scripted events focused on them). In games where there is a player as either or both of these countries, do they have a say in the event tree Germany has? Will there be a war option for Austria rather than join Germany, or can they ally with Italy to give Germany pause on their territorial ambitions? Can Czechoslovakia forge a invitation to the Munich Agreement conference and get to put their two cents in on appeasement of Hitler? Perhaps ally with the Soviets as fellow Slavs under threat of Fascism?

While only Major powers currently have National Focus trees dedicated to their particular advancement, the general national focus that all others get seems to leave a very bland approach to forging your own destiny. While this is probably fine with regards to single player games, playing as a lesser power that suffers territorial losses due to events in a multiplayer game keeps them from ever being played.

I am not saying that the Anschluss should not be an event, but seeing as every player knows its coming, the Austrian should have some possible recourse beyond war or acceptance. Perhaps they should vasselize them selves to Lichtenstein?

As I understand it, players have the option of playing two types of game: a (mostly) historically scripted game that largely follows events of history - at least until war starts; or a game that does not follow events of history at all (or hardly at all) and is therefore far more random and completely unpredictable. The latter would no doubt include such things as the Anschluss not happening, or Germany not invading Poland. I would assume that would be the game type to play for those who do not want historical events - and who want a chance against German neighbours!

 

[Oddb@ll]

I want to see France go to war with Germany over the Rhineland at least once. I definitely want to try it myself.

War with Germany in 36 would be boring. Instant win?

 

[Scutatus]

War with Germany in 36 would be boring. Instant win?

More than likely such an invasion by France would (should) be a quick French victory - but then you would have the struggle against Communism to keep you busy. Without a German buffer to save you. And without the UK or USA to help. So hardly boring.

 

[Brave Little Belgium]

It's unrelated, but you actually can see that in yesterday's stream when Da9l declares war on france at the very start, Rheinland is considered as enemy (bold red border like in CK2). I don't know what it means exactly, maybe Rheinland considered like france territory de-facto and costs any victory points. Who knows...

Edit: It seems like it also red in Hungary start. It could mean red border is just demilitarized zone or something like that.

I think the red line is there only to indicate that that part of Germany is demilitirized

 

[Oddb@ll]

More than likely such an invasion by France would (should) be a quick French victory - but then you would have the struggle against Communism to keep you busy. Without a German buffer to save you. And without the UK or USA to help. So hardly boring.

Aah that's true! Didn't think of it that way

 

[LordOfWar16]

What I am looking for really is another option aside from war. Yes you can grab the guns, but what chance will Austria really have without a major alliance. If the Austrian player gets an alliance with Italy, will the Germans look else ware and leave Austria alone.

If you refuse the munich agreement germany will get a event, just as they do with when france reacts to the rhineland. Germany then gets the option to step down or to go to war. Refusing the agreement doesnt nessesariely mean you will be at war, if the german army feels not strong enough to fight you, since czechoslovakia is not only a mountainous region but also a heaviely fortified one.