Stop support for independence affecting liberty desire

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jamie067

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As support for independence isn't really any different from other alliances, it shouldn't increase liberty desire but just increase the subjects willingness to declare independence in the same way that my allies reduce it. The way it is now, if a large country supports my vassals independence it can create a situation where they will never be loyal however much they like me and the support will never end.
In my latest game, the Ottomans started supporting Crimea as soon as I vassalized them but now without their support Crimea would be loyal and the Ottomans would no longer be able to support their independence. Also, the Ottoman support of Crimean independence seems to be affecting Theodoro's liberty desire through alliance even though they shouldn't be willing to help them if they declared the war.
Even without changing any of this, it would be helpful if it mentioned how much each support for independence was affecting liberty desire separate from vassal's relative power as it is very misleading and appears as a bug suggesting that 8 units are over 4 times as powerful as 6.
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Increasing liberty desire IS increasing willingness to declare independence. It even says it in your screenshot: "Liberty Desire represents the country's desire for independence". Vassals don't want to be vassals, each nation wants its place in the sun.
 
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A nations desire for independence is not the same as as their willingness to declare war. A nation may hate their overlord but not be willing to declare war such as their 100% desire for independence while my alliances scare them enough to make them unwilling to declare war. If a nation loves their overlord (I got Crimea and Theodoro's opinion to +200) they should not want independence no matter how much support they have, the other nations may only want them independent so they can weaken both of us. My point is that my vassals support for independence should not affect their desire to be independent, but only how willing they are to declare the war in the same way my allies reduce their willingness to declare war.

Another thing that should change is preventing support for independence while there is a truce between subject and overlord.
 
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