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It grows on you, the more you play it and figure it out. The "I, Claudius"-style family dramas that go on are a hoot. I wish we could learn exactly what game effects all these various personality traits have -- that would make the character side of the game even better.
 

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Lucius Vorenus said:
It grows on you, the more you play it and figure it out. The "I, Claudius"-style family dramas that go on are a hoot. I wish we could learn exactly what game effects all these various personality traits have -- that would make the character side of the game even better.

agree. There is great depth but it's not very clear to the player.

and for the general tone of this thread, I hope Paradox doesn't listen too much to the professional moaners :eek:o
 

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I'm sure a lot of a complaints are because people don't understand yet what's going on in the game and how to affect it. They complain about it being 'boring' and 'bland' and there's 'nothing to do' because they haven't worked out or been told what strategies they need to follow.

Once there's some good FAQ posts and a Wiki up and running, people will be talking about how deep and complex the game is...

For example, one of the big moans is "other countries steal my colonies!" And cries to "fix" this as if it were some sort of bug. In reality, what you need to be doing is checking the other country's province and their governor rating, and maybe appointing your highest-finesse character to be in charge of your own neighbouring province. And making sure that province has trade routes to your most advanced provinces so its CIV rating advances faster than the other country's. And maybe even deliberately stirring up barbarians in the hope they'll plunder your rival's province. and the trap I fell into myself... if your rival offers you a trade deal betwen their province and one of your most advanced provinces - don't take it! Offer them a trade from one of your primitive border regions instead!
 

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lucaluca said:
and for the general tone of this thread, I hope Paradox doesn't listen too much to the professional moaners :eek:o

Professional moaners? Please. :D I've been playing and praising Paradox games for a good decade, now. But it's always easier to create a straw man, and attack that, rather than allow for somebody to have an opinion equally valid to yours, but different. The idea of two opinions that are mutually exclusive yet equally respected seems to really cause a problem for some people. If you really want to discuss this, feel free to read what I really wrote, and let's continue this honestly, without this kind of mudslinging and namecalling. Thanks.

It grows on you, the more you play it and figure it out. The "I, Claudius"-style family dramas that go on are a hoot. I wish we could learn exactly what game effects all these various personality traits have -- that would make the character side of the game even better.

This comes from Crusader Kings/Deus Vult, a game that took a long time to patch correctly, and is now a gem to play. I'm glad Paradox reused its CK character system. I was afraid for a while that the bad reviews (which didn't understand 1) that you set your own winning conditions in a Paradox game, and that 2) the need for severe patching shouldn't have been seen as evidence of a poor game) would make them completely write off its concepts. I'm glad they didn't. The character system will really flesh out personalities in Rome, I think. And if you like the idea now, wait until all the CK-like popup events are implemented and correctly linked to different character traits. There are a few mentions in the forum that they're yet to come. Will be worth the wait.

I'm sure a lot of a complaints are because people don't understand yet what's going on in the game and how to affect it. They complain about it being 'boring' and 'bland' and there's 'nothing to do' because they haven't worked out or been told what strategies they need to follow.

Boring and bland are two remarks I'm glad to say I haven't ever seen in this forum, however sure you are of this. Where did you see these remarks? If anything, the combiination of Crusader Kings characters with some of the EU3 action, minus the nitpicking stuff (like that awful EU3 trade system) holds the promise of a great deal, and the graphics are the best I've personally ever seen in a Paradox game. So I'm really curious where all those negative comments about Rome being bland are. :)
 
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Bertouch said:
Boring and bland are two remarks I'm glad to say I haven't ever seen in this forum, however sure you are of this. Where did you see these remarks?
Well, from a quick look around:

Liljagare said:
Well, I did uninstall Rome, and went back to MOTW2, patched up to 1.3. Frankly, the main map has more life on it than the Rome map, and, there is tons more stuff to build/do...
Panzerkanzler said:
In TW games at least I don't have to sit like a zombie for 15 minutes while turbo-boosting time so that I can do something. Rome has a long way to go still
stylian said:
I have not played the game for three days now and I am not feeling I missed everything. It is probably the first time that a Paradox game could bore me after only a few days of game play. I do not know if it is the because of the bugs or lack of historical realism but one thing I can say is that Rome is not addictive at all.
LeWolf said:
Anyways my current game is pretty lame, Ive taken Italian Peninsula and got bored after waiting many years for nothing to happen... I was hoping to colonize north, but its taking so much time for population growth and civilization growth that I got bored.
ThomasH said:
yes i find this game boring too. After setting trade routes and sometimes u have some war there is not soo much to do than sitting before the PC and staring at the map
Evans said:
At the moment one is left with the feeling of not being too involved. ... I think the game would be good for MP, but the single player feels lacklustre at the moment - there's simply not a lot for the player to do and get involved in.
I'm sure there are more, these are just the ones I could find quickly...
 

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StephenT said:
I'm sure there are more, these are just the ones I could find quickly...

You've found info to cover your point well. (And you did it based on facts, and without namecalling. I'm not assuming you would. I'm just finding it refreshing here, that's all.) Clearly, some people find the game boring and bland. Still, I don't think that amounts to "a lot of a complaints," nor does this show that the reason behind those complaints is a lack of understanding the game. It reminds me of the way some people reacted when EU3 first appeared: a lot of things didn't work, and small landbound European nations were colonizing the New World within a few years. They didn't misunderstand EU3. It simply wasn't ready for primetime, and their considerable input, sometimes strident, was necessary to get the title working. I think now it is one of the finest strategy sims on the market, and would be a credit to any company especially in these days of cynical "let's just throw another cheapie ripoff at the kids" exploitation.

But if you want to see what people are really complaining about in Rome, the easiest way to get this is to go ot the length Wishlist thread, which is both a wishlist and a complaints list. And it's where you've already posted. So you know quite a lot of people who are complaining about things needing fixes aren't just lacking an understanding of Rome, right? Because there's a lot more to those remarks, and many of those people show the same level of mentation as you or I. A lot of those complaints strike me as quite sound. I'm glad they're around, and not held back by requests to be quiet.

My own take on this--and yes, I know you disagree; that's fine with me--is that Rome simply wasn't built in a day. ;) It's got a long way to go, yet, before everything is tweaked and implemented. Some people will enjoy it in the meantime, and others won't. And being able to comment on what we find wrong, and let Johan and Company know about it, is the only way this is going to move forward. Just as it has in every other Paradox game (with the exception of Viccy, which I consider a dead loss).
 
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I didnt buy Rome because I felt it was MOTS in the EU line. But I did come back to the forums to read the comments. I have to say though that Bertouch your posts really are outstanding, and I frankly salute your candor, and good manners.

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satorius wanted to boost us, and already you turned this thread into a shouting match like all the other threads in the Rome forum, I'm disappointed in you paradox forumites



Um, meaning no offense, but did you actually read my posts? Because if you did, you'll see I just turned down the opportunity to engage in a shouting match with my post right above yours. It's called having an opinion of your own, while respecting the right for somebody else to have a completely different one. And if you're disappointed in "paradox forumites," I'm a bit disappionted in being required to change my feelings to suit somebody else about a game, just because I'm told to. I prefer a range of free, open, differing opinions, uttered with respect, but without coercion.


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Since we don't seem to be reading the same forums maybe you can point me to the discussions that show beyond a doubt how buggy and unplayable this game is.



But why? I mean, you feel one way, and I feel another. I'm reading threads that prove one thing, you're reading threads that prove the opposite. Clearly if I name off threads that I feel make my point, you'll argue each one of these, and probably pull posts to make your point--and I would do the same. Which would end with you and I being no more enlightened than we currently are, but probably a good deal less even-tempered.

One other point: I never anywhere said the game was unplayable. Please, don't try to build a straw man, here, and attack me by using it. The game's buggy and needs a great deal of adjusting, and there are aspects of it that aren't yet implemented despite showing up on the interface. But unplayable? Hardly.
 

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Frankly, I don't think there are all that many bugs in it. It runs fine, the game flows ok, etc. It's just so....boring. There's not much to do other than move armies around and take provinces. :wacko:
 

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I m still having a lot of fun. I know at the end they will fix all the stupid bug we all complaining about. But so far kind of a cool game. I m playing Rome dont like the big bug about attrition, ping pong with the barbarian and some other bug (Didnt want to say to many bug ) did i say that !!! oups. Ah well, at end the game is out ! Guess paradox did pretty well at least we have the game we been waiting for . AND WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE THIS GAME BETTER. The more bug we are able to find the better the game will be at the end :cool:


Hope this will give a boost to all paradox fan


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No, I am Satorius! ... :)

But yeah, I do like Rome, its bugs have put me off abit, particuarly with the help of IN. I do expect to get back to it soon, if I can fix a CTD bug on the second day of play
 

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Its not the bugs that bring Rome down for me but just its game mechanisms and this could be solved for the most part by adding e.g historical events and implenting many things already said in the 1.3 idea's patch.