Stepping down...

[Duke of Bavaria]

What about Monarch a giving the throne to his son before he dies. Happened some times when there where powerful princes that took over the reign before the old ruler died. (Thinking of Maximilian I taking over power in Bavaria). Will this be in EU?

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

What about Monarch a giving the throne to his son before he dies. Happened some times when there where powerful princes that took over the reign before the old ruler died. (Thinking of Maximilian I taking over power in Bavaria). Will this be in EU?

We don't know, maybe there is an abdication event that fires under certain circumstances.

 

[unmerged(6777)]

For the purposes of EU3, how would that differ from a "normal" succession? (Meaning...why go to the trouble to model a special case for it if the net effect is essentially identical to having your ruler "die" early and a new ruler take over?)

 

[Zuckergußgebäck]

Because of the chance of a sucession war or personal union even when your monarch has an heir?

 

[Tamas]

This would become a tool to manually trigger succession wars or personal unions when the timing is perfect for the player. So I would hate it.

 

[kolmy]

Could be done, and it as happen sometimes, for not trigger succession wars or personal unions, what about making something like this:

historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = x }
	startdate = {
		year = 1475
		month = october
		day = 16
	}
	deathdate = {
		year = 1521
		month = december
		day = 15
	}
	name = "Badguy I"
	DIP = 8
	ADM = 7
	MIL = 6
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = x }
	startdate = {
		year = 1498
		month = december
		day = 16
	}
	deathdate = {
		year = 1557
		month = june
		day = 11
	}
	name = "King III"
	DIP = 8
	ADM = 4
	MIL = 4
}

In this case, the start date is the birthday and not the day that the king starts ruling the nation, if he dies early, the his heir came to the throne. If the heir is to early to rule, a regency is made.

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

Could be done, and it as happen sometimes, for not trigger succession wars or personal unions, what about making something like this:

historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = x }
	startdate = {
		year = 1475
		month = october
		day = 16
	}
	deathdate = {
		year = 1521
		month = december
		day = 15
	}
	name = "Badguy I"
	DIP = 8
	ADM = 7
	MIL = 6
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = x }
	startdate = {
		year = 1498
		month = december
		day = 16
	}
	deathdate = {
		year = 1557
		month = june
		day = 11
	}
	name = "King III"
	DIP = 8
	ADM = 4
	MIL = 4
}

In this case, the start date is the birthday and not the day that the king starts ruling the nation, if he dies early, the his heir came to the throne. If the heir is to early to rule, a regency is made.

But it is my understanding that there won't be such monarch files with start and enddates. It has been said that you will never know when your monarch dies, which to me sounds like there won't be a file where you can check that

 

[unmerged(11600)]

But it is my understanding that there won't be such monarch files with start and enddates. It has been said that you will never know when your monarch dies, which to me sounds like there won't be a file where you can check that

There certainly won't be a listing of successors, but there might be a deathdate line in the savegame file. It's just that there's no guarentee that that will be the date they die. In the board game the new monarch's reign length is determined at their crowning, but every turn you check for their survival. It's possible they could die at any time, but it's also possible that they will reign longer than expected, by as much as a decade.

-Pat

 

[Fawr]

For the purposes of EU3, how would that differ from a "normal" succession? (Meaning...why go to the trouble to model a special case for it if the net effect is essentially identical to having your ruler "die" early and a new ruler take over?)

Because it would mean that poor monarchs have (on average) shorter reigns that good monarchs.

It would also indicate a clear transfer of power, as the poor monarch isn't going to retire if he hasn't got a clear successor (so no retiring for a regency council to step in).

EDIT: In effect these are silver linings that you are offering the player when they get a bad ruler...

 

[Gwalcmai]

Because it would mean that poor monarchs have (on average) shorter reigns that good monarchs.

It would also indicate a clear transfer of power, as the poor monarch isn't going to retire if he hasn't got a clear successor (so no retiring for a regency council to step in).

EDIT: In effect these are silver linings that you are offering the player when they get a bad ruler...

Bad monarchs usually didn't know enough to retire anyway, it was the not-so-poor ones that sometimes did.

Also, it is possible for the succession to be disputed after an abdication too.