This.
If Stellaris had never happened HOI4 likely wouldn't be coming out even a day earlier. The problems that caused HOI4's delay weren't related to a lack of resources, but to the number of iterations the development of the game went through.
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Stellaris released before HOIIV
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This.
If Stellaris had never happened HOI4 likely wouldn't be coming out even a day earlier. The problems that caused HOI4's delay weren't related to a lack of resources, but to the number of iterations the development of the game went through.
It means hoi4 is arbitrarily delayed so sales don't coincide.
No, hoi4 would be out a month or a little less before June 6th if there was no stellaris. Not huge but Stellaris most certainly affected Hoi4's release date.
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I was always going to get both, so the order they come out is not important as such.
Initially, HoI 4 was supposed to come out first, but then they ran into some trouble, and Stellaris has obviously overtaken it in the development process (or they are fairly similarly along, and spaced out by Paradox). I dont mind that at all, one will without question keep me occupied until i get access to the other
Initially, HoI 4 was supposed to come out first, but then they ran into some trouble, and Stellaris has obviously overtaken it in the development process (or they are fairly similarly along, and spaced out by Paradox). I dont mind that at all, one will without question keep me occupied until i get access to the other
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Based on what? I haven't seen anything that suggests this isn't just a result of when they entered beta +/- a little based on the need for polish.
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I won't pretend like I'm happy that a game announced 4-6 months after HoI4's original release window is coming out a month before HoI4, but it's not productive to get mad over it. HoI4's dev must have had some serious issues for them to have delayed it this long but it looks like Stellaris was smooth sailing.
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Wheres the proof of that statement?! It's like saying PDX needs a little hit of money to keep them going in the summer. Ur not their financial rep bud.
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HOI is a far more complex game. Having nations behaviour coincide with some historical accuracy, then mix in player behaviour. Must have been a nightmare coding that. Stellaris has no preset theatre or timeline.... an open universe so to speak, so they could just go full BAWLZ out making whatever suited them. It's not surprising at all that it's done first.
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The stated reason for delays was not that it was too complicated to make countries act historically, it was that after play testing, they decided that the mechanics they had built were not sufficiently good / fun. They took the extra time to make something they liked better, which then set back the dev clock and required new bug fixing and new balancing and such to go along with these new mechanics - you can't really fine tune those things until the core stuff is locked down.
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I am surprised that the two games are being released so close to each other, less than a month apart. It looks like they will both have spent about the same amount of time in beta. I think it shows that PI isn't too concerned about the games cannibalizing each other and they really are being released "when they are ready". Certainly there is no indication that HoI4 is being held back for Stellaris.
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I agree it's weird, but from what I understand the devs want to make HOI4 into this grand (no pun intended) "flagship title", so I guess they want it to be as polished as humanly possible? Also the devs have said they tried a lot of ambitious new things, like the battle planner, some of which turned out to be way harder than they first thought they would be. They've also admitted they did announce it way too early.
81 days seems a loooong wait for me, too, and I wish it was finished sooner, but them's the grapes, I guess.
I'm cautiously hyped for Stellaris, so I don't know if I mind getting that first. I'm more worried about how I'm going to afford buying them both in such a short time-span . Maybe PDX could release a cheaper "Home Edition" of both games .
I think that if one of them was to be delayed, it'd be Stellaris since it was announced last of the two.
81 days seems a loooong wait for me, too, and I wish it was finished sooner, but them's the grapes, I guess.
I'm cautiously hyped for Stellaris, so I don't know if I mind getting that first. I'm more worried about how I'm going to afford buying them both in such a short time-span
. Maybe PDX could release a cheaper "Home Edition" of both games .Based on what? Don't throw out rooster-sure statements like this without anything to base them on. That's how those pesky myths and misconceptions originate.
I think that if one of them was to be delayed, it'd be Stellaris since it was announced last of the two.
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You're both making assumptions. The fact is we can never know if Stellaris had an effect. All we know is that if it did, it was small (a month at most).
Either way, so what? It's a month...
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A big mistake. People buy stellaris but not excited about HOI4 because they are busy to play stellaris. This will definitely have bad influence on HOI4 sales.
Whereas releasing their flagship title which their fans are sure to buy before the one they might be curious about but only buy if they have time to play it would have been the right call?
And this is assuming that it would be ready for May, which I doubt since the development of this game has been so fraught with problems. In reality, what you're asking for is that the release of Stellaris should be delayed because reasons
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I think this is ex post facto reasoning, starting with the result and looking for a justification. You could just as easily make the case that HoI4 can lean on the experience, data gathering and sometimes even the code of the previous titles while Stellaris has to create much more from scratch.
Complex creative endeavors are just risky, and hard to predict in advance. Sometimes things go smoothly and sometimes you run into problems and need to backtrack. It's always hard to make a good game, but sometimes you just get lucky.
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It just makes sense. Stellaris is coming out first, so they want to release Hoi4 a little later so sales don't coincide. Maybe June 6th would happen without Stellaris, or maybe it's only there because of Stellaris. It's very possible that Hoi4 will be ready before the actual release date.
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releasing the game only a week and a half after warhammer will have a bigger impact on sales then being released after stellaris
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If you don't know, say so. Don't make definite statements that can mislead others into thinking you know something for a fact when you're just speculating like everyone else.
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Well yeah, that may be why they're releasing Hoi4 June 6th (or not, just speculation). Thing is, Stellaris is a PDX game, so is Hoi4, there are more people who will buy Stellaris and will also want hoi4 than people who will buy Warhammer and also want Hoi4. So it makes more sense to space the releases of Stellaris and Hoi4 a lot and space the releases between Warhammer and hoi4 a little too.
Ok, fine. I disavow. I don't know, but it seems pretty reasonable that Hoi4 was at least somewhat put off in release because of Stellaris. I mean it'd be only a month at most so it isn't that huge of a deal but I'm just saying.
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Completely agree.
Wouldn't those resources used on Stellaris not be able to advance/ speed up the development of the many iterations of HOI IV development?
As basic as it sounds, you are going to build a house faster with 20 people then only 10 people..........
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