Stellaris: Galaxy Command available now on mobile devices.
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Please just kill this project Paradox, there’s better ways to make money than a pay to win game that’ll do so much damage to the brand.
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Okay, since the post i was quoting was removed and took down my post with it, i will shortly reiterate.
Certain user said that there is no moral stance on alcohol and cigarettes, hence us condeming microtransactions in games is hypocrytical. In short, why if we are fighting against microtransactions, we aren't fighting against drugs? Here's my opinion:
No moral stance on alcohol or cigarettes? Are we living in the same universe? A lot of countries put disturbing pictures on cigarette packs, you can't smoke in most restaurants, except for special smoking areas, there is alcoholic anonymous, you can't drive while drunk and "drunkard" is not a compliment. Society pretty clearly defined it's moral stance on things. And one of the reasons alcohol and cigarettes are not outlawed, is because prohibition in US showed, that prohibiting any commodity with no legal substitute not only won't work, but will redirect financial streams to the criminals.
Speaking of substitution, i will try to explain why it's wrong to compare drugs to games with microtransactions. People buy cigarettes for cigarettes, or more precisely for nicotine. Pretty much no one will buy cigarettes without nicotine. Alcohol is a bit different, but still the same logic can be applied here. People buy a lot less non-alcoholic beer compared to regular beer. And i haven't seen non-alcoholic whiskey or vodka.
And here's the point. People buy games, not microtransactions, because you can't sell microtransactions. And you absolutely can substitute a game with microtransations with a game without them. Moreover, you can make a game without microtransactions that people will buy, and you will make a profit. Current industry practises are more akin to adding cocaine to cough syrops. And there's a very good reason we stopped doing that a long time ago.
P.S: Original post had a P.S. Come to think of it, it was me venting my anger and frustration. I still do think PDX Stellaris Galaxy Command is fundamentally immoral. I still do think that the sole reason there is a second thread about it is to advertise it to possible buyers, not to provide updates. And i'm still frustrated by duplicity, that arises when company that positions itself as consumer-friendly releases mobile game with microtransations. I just don't want spew my negative feelings in incomprehensive bile, and with the above i feel like i said all i wanted in more consice manner.
Certain user said that there is no moral stance on alcohol and cigarettes, hence us condeming microtransactions in games is hypocrytical. In short, why if we are fighting against microtransactions, we aren't fighting against drugs? Here's my opinion:
No moral stance on alcohol or cigarettes? Are we living in the same universe? A lot of countries put disturbing pictures on cigarette packs, you can't smoke in most restaurants, except for special smoking areas, there is alcoholic anonymous, you can't drive while drunk and "drunkard" is not a compliment. Society pretty clearly defined it's moral stance on things. And one of the reasons alcohol and cigarettes are not outlawed, is because prohibition in US showed, that prohibiting any commodity with no legal substitute not only won't work, but will redirect financial streams to the criminals.
Speaking of substitution, i will try to explain why it's wrong to compare drugs to games with microtransactions. People buy cigarettes for cigarettes, or more precisely for nicotine. Pretty much no one will buy cigarettes without nicotine. Alcohol is a bit different, but still the same logic can be applied here. People buy a lot less non-alcoholic beer compared to regular beer. And i haven't seen non-alcoholic whiskey or vodka.
And here's the point. People buy games, not microtransactions, because you can't sell microtransactions. And you absolutely can substitute a game with microtransations with a game without them. Moreover, you can make a game without microtransactions that people will buy, and you will make a profit. Current industry practises are more akin to adding cocaine to cough syrops. And there's a very good reason we stopped doing that a long time ago.
P.S: Original post had a P.S. Come to think of it, it was me venting my anger and frustration. I still do think PDX Stellaris Galaxy Command is fundamentally immoral. I still do think that the sole reason there is a second thread about it is to advertise it to possible buyers, not to provide updates. And i'm still frustrated by duplicity, that arises when company that positions itself as consumer-friendly releases mobile game with microtransations. I just don't want spew my negative feelings in incomprehensive bile, and with the above i feel like i said all i wanted in more consice manner.
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This. Also the market for alcohol, nicotin and gambling has some regulation especially protecting minors. Something the f2p market desperately needs.
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A challenge to everyone who reads this thread: take 20 minutes, download the game, give it a quick go, and give the game an appropriate rating on your favorite appstore.
Looks like the rating has dropped from 2.4 to 2.2 on the android store since this was posted off of just 2 reviews. Certainly this must be skewed somewhat, let's ensure a proper analysis!
Looks like the rating has dropped from 2.4 to 2.2 on the android store since this was posted off of just 2 reviews. Certainly this must be skewed somewhat, let's ensure a proper analysis!
I refuse to even contribute to some 'times downloaded' statistic.
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But then you can contribute to the rating statistic! Do your bit to getting lower or higher!
And let the Paradox marketing team think that people are interested in such a product? No thanks.
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Generally, positive or negative ratings don't really have traction with companies these days, but sales and traffic do, such as positive/negatives votes on YouTube videos. If enough eyes are seeing it, you're still generating ad revenue regardless of opinion.
By downloading, you're signalling interest, which shows an uptick in traffic, thus boosting reach which promotes the thing on app stores, which encourages a wider audience to pick it up and get suckered into the money drain.
You're better off not letting the thing have enough room to grow and simply let it fizzle out.
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You've convinced me, sadly as I've already downloaded, so the least I can do now is leave an honest review. Sadly Google limits me to 1*.
Ah I remember this type of game. I call these the "Hong Kong games". They all play out the same way, it's so unoriginal. Hong Kong Kowloon - the capital of making mobile game clones riddled with microtrans/ads like these - has taught you well.
When I look through most mobile games these days, I always half expect that they will be in some way or form, P2W and riddled with ads. This is nothing new. Free to download mobile games in this regard will always have a special place in my heart, where all the undesirables go. Doesn't matter if it uses the Stellaris IP either. I'd rather play a game which I have actually purchased, that has no ads and no microtransaction, and has genuinely enjoyable gameplay. I am just about fed up with all these real-time related, energy currency using mobile clone games straight out of some place I've never even heard of in China. They all play out the same way, is what I'm saying and what I have problem with the most, microtransactions aside.
Anyways, it looks like human nature has got the better of you all though, and you just had to get a jump on it too. I don't blame ya'll. I honestly would too, make a game with a bunch of ads and microtrans with cloned gameplay designs. It's sad but some people with enough time on their hands will play it and give me money, somewhere in the world.
When I look through most mobile games these days, I always half expect that they will be in some way or form, P2W and riddled with ads. This is nothing new. Free to download mobile games in this regard will always have a special place in my heart, where all the undesirables go. Doesn't matter if it uses the Stellaris IP either. I'd rather play a game which I have actually purchased, that has no ads and no microtransaction, and has genuinely enjoyable gameplay. I am just about fed up with all these real-time related, energy currency using mobile clone games straight out of some place I've never even heard of in China. They all play out the same way, is what I'm saying and what I have problem with the most, microtransactions aside.
Anyways, it looks like human nature has got the better of you all though, and you just had to get a jump on it too. I don't blame ya'll. I honestly would too, make a game with a bunch of ads and microtrans with cloned gameplay designs. It's sad but some people with enough time on their hands will play it and give me money, somewhere in the world.
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So very true, I had to give paradox the benefit of doubt and have a look otherwise, I'm gonna be labeled as a hater.
After a few minutes of watching a video online I can confirm how repetitie, pointlless and p2w this 'thing' is. It's definitely not a game and it is predatory in nature clearly.
Not touching this with a 10 foot pole and I have to reduce the paradox credit rating 1 notch down. Shame, shame.
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So still made by that Chinese company? All they did was play for time, hope everyone will forget it all.
Shame, exploitative shit like this, that's EA's and Activision's domain, not small Swedish company.
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Well, they are no longer small, nor Swedish, just a company, one of the many.
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So it's still the same exploitative microtransaction-ridden Nova Empire reskin, just without very clearly stolen artwork?
I frankly only have a single solution for fixing this 'game':
I frankly only have a single solution for fixing this 'game':
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I say we take off and World Cracker the entire site from orbit.
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Pay to Win and Pay to Avoid This Grind That, We, The Developers Put in The Game? That's gonna be a yikes form me, Paradox.
I suppose we should thank the PC Stellaris team for making an expansion stuffed full of memes and jokes about lootboxes, or else Galaxy Command would have gotten those as well. 100% guaranteed.
I suppose we should thank the PC Stellaris team for making an expansion stuffed full of memes and jokes about lootboxes, or else Galaxy Command would have gotten those as well. 100% guaranteed.
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Searching the app market only returned Nova Empire. Game Bear is kinda skimming the cream isn’t it?
It is a chemical dependency. In terms of neurology, psychological addictions are, to a certain extent, all variations of dopamine addiction. Dopamine is a hormone responsible for processing "action/reward" instant gratification scenarios by human and animal brains. Dopamine, as all hormones, has a critical role in human and animal physiology, but like with all hormones, a major malfunction may occur. Certain individuals have a predisposition to higher levels of dopamine, or it can develop over the course of years for various reasons. If that's the case, a brain gets firmly hooked on a certain "action/reward" routine. In extreme cases people just can't stop doing what they are doing. For the brain itself, it doesn't matter what exactly causes the addiction, it is just the feeling of getting rewarded for an action. The more simple and quick the action/reward gets, the more dopamine flows, the worse psychological addiction becomes.
Gambling, especially the most simple, uncerebral kind (luck based) is designed to exploit these people. Think of a slot machine, probably the most pure dopamine generator. It is simple, quick, low-priced (for one turn) and people just can't stop, even though they may know that they lose more than they gain because at that moment of inserting a coin into the box, the dopamine is all that the brain can think of.
Gaming itself can be quite brutal to people with malfunctioning dopamine processors leading to addiction because game as a concept is based around gratification scenarios. Fast-paced, round-based, uncerebral gaming is even more brutal. Fast-paced, uncerebral gaming that requires constant influx of money is basically gambling without motivation of a financial reward.
Having said that, I see your point about it being a free choice of free people. It is part of a complex vice problem that humanity struggled with for a long time. What to do with freely chosen, but destructive vices like alcohol, smoking, drugs, gambling etc.? Prohibition? Regulation? Allowance?
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when talking about dependency there is a distinction from physical dependency and psycological , in this game there is barely a "action\reward" dependency push . and this is way over the top of talking about making this kind of "market practice" as illegal .
someone paragonated this level of microtransaction to eroine , and i hope you understand the difference .
there is no gambling in the game, all that it gives you , its exatly what you pay for ..
again, gambling dependecy is something that is born from the idea that the "next time will be the one" , and this game doesn't have something like this, only frustating you in time-consuming procedures and offering you an easy solution for money .
well, i mean, if you go so deep on the malfuctioning dopamine , gaming its not realy the only problem in your life, since you can get addicted to anything that give you any easy sadisfaction . then again, its not the job of companies to take care of special cases .
this is going off topic, i got my last message deleted too because we are going outside the treath discussion .