Stellaris Dev Diary #180 - DLC Visibility Experiment

[Methone]

Religious or sacred robots, adeptus mechanicus cult. This is what is missing.

That should, under no circumstance, be an Origin.

 

[MGSteve]

Grumble grumble... Don't care about your experiments, I'm still not buying any more DLC until you make the mid/late game experience substantially better.

If you're talking about speed, 2.6.x was a huge improvement, I can actually play past 2400 without it going real time.

That was until 2.7.1, that is. 2.7.2 will fix this though. If you're talking about the grind that starts to kick in around then, yeah, that's a different matter.

 

[Akamia]

Did I miss something? I haven't really played a game in 2.7 yet, but I don't see any threads complaining about performance in the forums. What happened? Can you explain please?

Factions happened.
Pops are shuffling between them on a daily basis (literally; the game is updating the numbers every in-game day) and it’s bogging things down something fierce. The system went from being borderline irrelevant and extremely sluggish to hyperactive and erratic.

 

[Monkbel]

It dropped because of factions.

hmm, I am checking the patch notes, and there seem to be no changes in behavior of factions.

 

[monkeypunch87]

Did I miss something? I haven't really played a game in 2.7 yet, but I don't see any threads complaining about performance in the forums.

Yes, they stated the issue with the release of 2.7.1. An in the performance megathread are some posts about it.

 

[MGSteve]

what's the issue with the performance?

A bug was introduced where the faction membership appears to being calculated daily, causing massive slowdown late game and even noticeable slow down in the early game. On my game in 2412 it was taking about 5-10 seconds per day. reverted back to 2.6.3 and it was back to whizzing along at about 2-3 days a second.

As far as I know, no changes were made to this, so it was either a regression that wasn't noticed or a side effect of another change. Either way, there's no way this shouldn't have been caught before release.

 

[Spaninq]

It dropped because of factions.

You know, in my test game, I did notice that pops were flipping factions just about every day, and that was only a few decades in on 3 habitats (no planets colonized). I can definitely see it becoming an issue by the midgame

 

[monkeypunch87]

hmm, I am checking the patch notes, and there seem to be no changes in behavior of factions.

It is confirmed by the devs that this is probably the issue. And you can see the bugfix of the ethic change with your own eyes ingame. Problem is: They change daily.

 

[monkeypunch87]

I hope that they revert back on this issue with 2.7.2.

2.7.1 No Anomaly discovered pop up and/or pausing

As the title suggest, I keep getting anomaly discovered messages without the game pausing and the message popping up.

forum.paradoxplaza.com

 

[arosenberger14]

If you're talking about speed, 2.6.x was a huge improvement, I can actually play past 2400 without it going real time.

That was until 2.7.1, that is. 2.7.2 will fix this though. If you're talking about the grind that starts to kick in around then, yeah, that's a different matter.

I'm talking about the grind. The horrific planetary micro management. The broken crises. The fleet manager. The unbalanced research rates. The AI being unable to keep up even on highest difficulties. All of these have been around on some form or another for over a year now and just kill the mid/end game experience for me.

 

[Fampat]

It is confirmed by the devs that this is probably the issue. And you can see the bugfix of the ethic change with your own eyes ingame. Problem is: They change daily.

Not confirmed, any1 came up with his "discovery" that this is related, since then everyone produces kinda fakenews i guess... could be true, could also be false...

 

[Tobasco da Gama]

I appreciate the teasers, but I hate everything else about this dev diary. Listen, the amount of DLC already puts new players off this game, shoving it in their faces even harder is just going to reinforce their concerns.

 

[monkeypunch87]

Not confirmed, any1 came up with his "discovery" that this is related, since then everyone produces kinda fakenews i guess... could be true, could also be false...

We had a Dev statement about it that this is probably related.

 

[Fampat]

I'm talking about the grind. The horrific planetary micro management. The broken crises. The fleet manager. The unbalanced research rates. The AI being unable to keep up even on highest difficulties. All of these have been around on some form or another for over a year now and just kill the mid/end game experience for me.

^THIS!

 

[redlex]

That is currently our top priority, and we hope to be able to put up a beta soon.

@grekulf You mean the 2.7.2 fix ?

 

[Ffc]

A little bit short but better than nothing
Also, I've every DLC so I'm not sure i'm concerned by the visibility thing

 

[Pancakelord]

Before clicking on this, I honestly thought this would be a dev diary talking about a new DLC/Patch that would change how visibility and information availability in the game work.

• I.E reworking sensor range / our ability to see everything other empires can do with literally no effort (made worse by the border changes post 1.9.1).
• Its absurd that this has been the case for so long, scouting/information gathering should be a vital part of your strategy [and falls under the Explore in 4x],
  • yet it isnt even a consideration in the mid/late game for stellaris after you're done surveying your local uncharted systems.
    • we dont even have a (heat)map mode to view sensor range! and just have to rely on tooltips for intel levels (Low-high-Full).

 

[laptor]

getting the available DLC's shown is ok, but I find it rather annoying that recommendations are made for my empires

 

[monkeypunch87]

getting the available DLC's shown is ok, but I find it rather annoying that recommendations are made for my empires

Oh, could you make a screenshot, so we are able to see the changes and suggestions during empire creation?

 

[Spaceception]

View attachment 577156
That would be the new “necromancy” species origin.
Centuries ago your species came to dominate your home planet. But then the catastrophe happened. Within years every member of your species was dead. Your last hope had been a radio message sent to the stars begging anyone who hears you for assistance.
Centuries later a helpful ship of nomads received your message and came to help. Realizing they were far too late to save you, they instead resurrected your race from extinction using biomatter found in naturally frozen regions of your planet and brain scans you had stored away in giant computer banks.
With their help your civilization new stands ready to seek the stars!

That's a cool origin idea. I presume that your race is janky in some way, and that you have communication with the nomads (it could even be the ones from before 2.2)

Before clicking on this, I honestly thought this would be a dev diary talking about a new DLC/Patch that would change how visibility and information availability in the game work.

• I.E reworking sensor range / our ability to see everything other empires can do with literally no effort (made worse by the border changes post 1.9.1).
• Its absurd that this has been the case for so long, scouting/information gathering should be a vital part of your strategy [and falls under the Explore in 4x],
  • yet it isnt even a consideration in the mid/late game for stellaris after you're done surveying your local uncharted systems.
    • we dont even have a (heat)map mode to view sensor range! and just have to rely on tooltips for intel levels (Low-high-Full).

That would've been a neat Dev Diary to read honestly.