Stellaris Dev Diary #152 - Summer Experimentation

[Kanzhuu]

If I build lots of industrial districts on an ecumenopolis, would that not increase its industrial capacity rapidly compared to, say, a dedicated research world with housing and labs? So maybe Industrial Districts should provide a production bonus to shipyards or planetary build speed? Maybe you need a certain minimum number of industrial districts for certain things?

If you bring in Sectors, maybe count the districts per sector and provide certain sector wide bonusses, which would be an incentive to build specialized sectors.

 

[glee8e]

I think a better integration of the existing gameplay elements with each other should take precedence over yet another overhaul. As it stands now, every gameplay element stands for it self, but there's not much interaction with other elements.

The last time I said similiar stuff was responded negatively by some fellow players. Glad it isn't the case this time.

Maybe it's just me needing to revise my wording though...

 

[Yaskaleh]

Adding industrial districts would probably be one of the b4est ideas I've seen in a very long time. would make the preparation for ecumenopolis less tiresome if you could build industrial districts alongside city districts.

One thing that has been bothering me for a while is how low value there is to natural strategic resources on habitable planets. Such deposits should give jobs without having to build a building that is no better than the building that doesn't need an existing deposit.

 

[Kanzhuu]

One thing that has been bothering me for a while is how low value there is to natural strategic resources on habitable planets. Such deposits should give jobs without having to build a building that is no better than the building that doesn't need an existing deposit.

Thechnically it is better by not requiring any mineral upkeep, but that is negligible. I usually just build the normal refineries and ignore deposits, because I am not sure whether the extraction wells benefit from all the same production bonusses as the normal refineries. (Such as from refinery world. I should really check that.)

 

[permeakra]

I came to conclusion that I need more clarification on the statement underlined in the quote below

At the same time, we also tried a version where buildings applied jobs to city districts instead of providing jobs by themselves. One upside would be that you’d need less micromanagement to get the jobs, but the downside is that it would also be quite a large upswing in new jobs whenever you built a city district. In the end, it felt like you had less control and understanding of what a planet was specializing in.

I fail to understand how this can be the case. At the moment, in the current model, the composition of building types and districts does not make it immediately apparent, what the planet specialiszes in. It is quite easy to guess, what district is dominating and what buildings are dominating (though in cases of mix of buldings of different level this might not translate into jobs), but it isn't immidiately apparent, what jobs are dominating, because the dominating job can come from districts OR from buildings. I seriously can't see how it is possible to do worse.

Also, seriously? Low-pop planets typically have 3-4 buildings predefined, it is literally impossible to make science-oriented low-pop colony in the current system. Extraction outposts are problematic too.

So. Could you (devs) kindly please expand on this statement?

 

[BlackUmbrellas]

I came to conclusion that I need more clarification on the statement underlined in the quote below


I fail to understand how this can be the case. At the moment, in the current model, the composition of building types and districts does not make it immediately apparent, what the planet specialiszes in. It is quite easy to guess, what district is dominating and what buildings are dominating (though in cases of mix of buldings of different level this might not translate into jobs), but it isn't immidiately apparent, what jobs are dominating, because the dominating job can come from districts OR from buildings. I seriously can't see how it is possible to do worse.

Also, seriously? Low-pop planets typically have 3-4 buildings predefined, it is literally impossible to make science-oriented low-pop colony in the current system. Extraction outposts are problematic too.

So. Could you (devs) kindly please expand on this statement?

"That thing you told us you experienced? You can't possibly have felt that way. I demand you explain it again to satisfy my compulsion to interrogate and gaslight you."

 

[Maethendias]

am i the only one who finds districts alot less interessting than buildings?
i dont know, they just feel so boring, you can build them all up instantly, they give you so much power, but you dont have to work for it in the slightest...

id rather have buildings in a limited building slot system that gradually opens up thanks to my population management and makes me choose between other buildings that give important boni, instead of "plop this modifier down"

 

[Sam Illingworth]

Tbh, I actually really like the current district/building setup. We have raw resources that planets can "naturally" produce, from farms and mines and solar arrays. Then we have advanced and processed materials that colonies can create as you build the infrastructure. Works on both a functional and thematic level for me. (I might even double down by creating a couple tiers of buildings, with prerequisites per level. It might create a cool distinction among your built up and your truly advanced worlds.)

And gating buildings behind pop growth prevents players from just spamming buildings in functionally unlimited numbers. Given how every resource except alloys is superabundant, that wouldn't take long. Restricting buildings to something that the player can't directly control helps prevent that.

I still think that the problem here is more what you do with districts and buildings more than anything else. Districts feel superfluous mostly because what you make with them feels so unnecessary. Every district and building, and the resources they produce, are all just about putting up foundries. And you get so damn many of those resources that they don't have any value. Who cares about those mines when your surplus (not income, surplus) is literally 300 minerals per turn?

So it feels like the game might as well just let you build those foundries directly.

That's the fix I would start with. Give other resources value beside just feeding the foundries and the districts/buildings that produce them will feel more useful again.

If you combine my idea with the getting rid of minerals idea, you could make it so you still build mining districts, but instead of producing minerals they unlock building slots for foundries and consumer good factories.

 

[wyldmage]

Hello everyone!



Industrial Districts

My biggest fear if something like this was done in the future is that decisions are particularly inaccurate. Currently you can highly customize your alloy/c.g. ratio based on military versus civilian need. Which is particularly useful if you're in a large federation (and have allies willing to throw alloys at the Federation Fleet), or if you're a small empire starting next to a Devouring Swarm (ie). A simple decision with 2-4 settings just wouldn't do the same thing.

And your example picture costs INFLUENCE? That's just painful. Early game influence is hands down the most valuable resource, so having to fiddle with your capital's production ratio to get the right amounts would be horrible.

Please, if this ever gets looked at again, focus on not making setting up your empire's proper balance of outputs cost influence.