Confirmed Stellaris - 3.4.3 9d15 federations and subjects

[great lakes]

Description
3.4.3 9d15 federations and subjects

Game Version
3.4.3

What version do you use?
Steam

What expansions do you have installed?


Do you have mods enabled?
No

Please explain your issue is in as much detail as possible.
I was building a federation, and my AI partner declared a subjugation war. as soon as it had ended, they left the federation citing war philosophy - of their new subject. that I had just helped them get.

Steps to reproduce the issue.
allow a federation partner to declare a subjugation war on someone with a different war philosophy, or get such a subject.

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[YokoZar]

Subjects and federations are broken in other ways. Form a federation with the United Nations of Earth in the attached save, and the AI will immediately leave it the next day. Trying to reinvite them shows that they "will not join federation with <subject>" -- here the problem is they aren't considering the effect of the subject before joining the federation.

 

[YokoZar]

The more I think about it, the more "subjects join" should probably not be default for federations with the new Overlord mechanics.

 

[Meme_Drone [Qloc]]

Hello!

Thank you for the report!

We have added the issue to our bug database.

 

[Harkinian's Dinner]

The more I think about it, the more "subjects join" should probably not be default for federations with the new Overlord mechanics.

A better solution is to have the ethics of subjects count for much less in terms of negative cohesion.

 

[great lakes]

A better solution is to have the ethics of subjects count for much less in terms of negative cohesion.

not disagreeing, but I don't think that would help this bug. cohesion doesn't (right now) determine whether the AI enters or stays in a federation.

 

[Darkrenown]

The more I think about it, the more "subjects join" should probably not be default for federations with the new Overlord mechanics.

Speaking of, if you have Rotation leadership can your vassal become fed president over you?

 

[great lakes]

Speaking of, if you have Rotation leadership can your vassal become fed president over you?

in the past, for challenge, that was the case, I recall a subsiteary once outbidding me for the presidency. I don't know for sure with rotation or random, but I'd assume so. is that still the case?

 

[YokoZar]

The more I think about it, the more "subjects join" should probably not be default for federations with the new Overlord mechanics.

Note that subjects will also join even if set to independent diplomacy upon forming a new federation. There's no way *not* to bring them with you.