Steel Division: Normandy 44 - Unit, vehicle and feature overview

[Wicca]

Really? Can't imagine vehicels don't need fuel, in a game made by eugen, which should be realistic.

Baldix wrote:I read somewhere that their will be no fuel consumption modelled in this game

[EUG]MadMat
But for planes, which retain their ToT, I can confirm that.

Fade2Gray wrote:If fuel is confirmed as gone

[EUG]MadMat I did just that two post above yours ...

http://forums.eugensystems.com/viewtopic.php?f=204&t=59483&p=1026555#p1026555

There is the source I had on fuel no longer being in the game. I also heard something about custom ammunition for certain type or units ammunition. Which means more complicated ammo supply system.

 

[Steeperman]

http://forums.eugensystems.com/viewtopic.php?f=204&t=59483&p=1026555#p1026555

There is the source I had on fuel no longer being in the game. I also heard something about custom ammunition for certain type or units ammunition. Which means more complicated ammo supply system.

Thank you for the research!

 

[Graphic]

Wargame maps are still significantly larger than SD maps will be. It could also just be hindsight 20/20, and Eugen realising fuel consumption isn't really as big of a deal in game as ammo consumption.

I think you got it. Wargame series, though I love them. didn't have a fraction of the direction/focus that this seems to. It was probably included because "well we got FOBs, so I guess vehicles should use fuel" and not as some important aspect of the gameplay. In the end what it mostly did from my perspective is make a lot of interesting vehicles useless.

 

[Killertomato]

I also heard something about custom ammunition for certain type or units ammunition. Which means more complicated ammo supply system.

This is what interests me.

 

[Fonz]

I wonder how getting supply trucks would work then. 1 thing that completely stopped me from playing MoW2 was the stupid supply truck having so much of everything else, but like 500 rifle rounds that 1 rifle squad would go through in 30 seconds, but the truck has like barbed wire, repair kits, 37mm rounds, 57mm rounds, 75mm rounds and on and on that I will never used but paid 100 points for.
The only way that would make sense would probably be having like category specific supply trucks, and FOBs probably won't be in, but it seems to be pretty hard to avoid having plenty of left-over supply trucks with stuff that you just don't need.

 

[UltimateIdiot]

I think you got it. Wargame series, though I love them. didn't have a fraction of the direction/focus that this seems to. It was probably included because "well we got FOBs, so I guess vehicles should use fuel" and not as some important aspect of the gameplay. In the end what it mostly did from my perspective is make a lot of interesting vehicles useless.

Yeah. Honestly, it was mostly useless, and somewhat unrealistic considering that tanks can (I'm exaggerating here, but only a little) overrun half a country before they run dry. While I can understand units needing ammo re-supply, needing to re-fuel was mostly just a pain, and added nothing to the game itself. And most of the time you were refueling them anyhow while re-supplying them. It was just another thing to keep track off, for no good reason.

This is what interests me.

I'm guessing it relates to tanks and their ammunition. Armor penetration can vary wildly between ammo types.

 

[Wicca]

Moved M4 VC Firefly (17 pounder/76.2mm) to German Units
Source:

• The journalist misundestood, or made a mistake while writing his article: there are no American Firefly whatsoever, nor any 17-pdr of any kind in US hands.
• Germans have captured Fireflies, that "pinnacles of British motorized antitank firepower", quite early in the campaign, especially at Villiers-Bocage after Michael Wittmann dramatic charge against the 7th Armoured Division.
• There will be only one single Beute Firefly in the game, credited to a division for which it was well recorded and attested. And this very one was captured and re-used by the division's Aufklärung Abteilung. Hence it's early deployment.

French Beute will be there too, in much greater numbers.

 

[EUG_MadMat]

Moved M4 VC Firefly (17 pounder/76.2mm) to German Units

Firefly isn't in the game only as a Beute Panzer for the Germans, the Allies (well, British-supplied ones) will also have quite a few of them of course.
I meant there was only a single German one, in one specific division.

 

[Wicca]

What is a Beute Panzer?

 

[EUG_MadMat]

What is a Beute Panzer?

Beute in German means (please any German out here corrects me if I'm wrong) means booty.
Beute panzer were foreign/enemy tanks abandonned by the enemy, captured by force or recovered and restored, then pressed into German service during WW2.
Germany made A LOT of use of foreign equipment.

Ingame, equipment in large amount and part of official German TO&Es (such as the plentyful of 1940 French equipment) are called by their German designation.
But we've got a few "Beute [XXX]" representing more anecdotal equipment captured from the Allies in the course of the Normandy campaign and re-used by the Germans.

 

[Wicca]

Beute in German means (please any German out here corrects me if I'm wrong) means booty.
Beute panzer were foreign/enemy tanks abandonned by the enemy, captured by force or recovered and restored, then pressed into German service during WW2.
Germany made A LOT of use of foreign equipment.

Ingame, equipment in large amount and part of official German TO&Es (such as the plentyful of 1940 French equipment) are called by their German designation.
But we've got a few "Beute [XXX]" representing more anecdotal equipment captured from the Allies in the course of the Normandy campaign and re-used by the Germans.

How many booties will we be seeing in this game? Are there any other equipment that is on the "wrong" side?

 

[Ulatersk]

How many booties will we be seeing in this game? Are there any other equipment that is on the "wrong" side?

I dont know what we will see. but what we could see is everything from soviet artillery to this fighting for Germans:

Char 1bis, Somuas, french halftracks with german weapons on them. Kind of everything, If Mad Mat said that even singular pieces of equipment will be present, like this Firefly.


For allies its hard to tell, since they came into possesion of german vehicles like Cuckoo and some King Tigers later.

 

[Slahinki]

What the hell is that? xD

 

[EUG_MadMat]

S307(f) Reihenwerfer, a tinkered coupling of 16 (!) French Brandt 80mm mortars on an armored Somua MGC half-track.

 

[Wicca]

So that makes firering a bunch of tubes in the same area easier? Why doesnt modern mortars have that?

 

[Slahinki]

Thought it looked a bit like mortar tubes, just didn't think it would be practical at all so I imagined it being some sort of Panzerwerfer.

 

[Ulatersk]

S307(f) Reihenwerfer, a tinkered coupling of 16 (!) French Brandt 80mm mortars on an armored Somua MGC half-track.

That would be very useful for a suprise close range, devastating artillery strikes, If it could fire all at once.


And since we are talking about booty (( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) ) AFVs, will this make an appearance?

I dont know if Panzerschreck-raketen auf Bren Carrier (e) was exactly present in Normandy, but its plausible.

 

[Slahinki]

Well I'll be damned, Alfred Becker was quite the guy.

 

[EUG_MadMat]

And since we are talking about booty (( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) ) AFVs, will this make an appearance?

I dont know if Panzerschreck-raketen auf Bren Carrier (e) was exactly present in Normandy, but its plausible.

I've researched that one quite a lot, but I think it was restricted to 3. Panzergrenadier in Italy.
Besides, the Faust were never used mounted, these was just a carrier.

Well I'll be damned, Alfred Becker was quite the guy.

He was.
Quite the counterpart for UK's Hobbart.

 

[Ulatersk]

I've researched that one quite a lot, but I think it was restricted to 3. Panzergrenadier in Italy.
Besides, the Faust were never used mounted, these was just a carrier.

Ah, the emblem on the back near left track was familiar, but I thought it would have been more widespread.


Will there be any soviet booty vehicles serving with germans in Normandy?