Steam: Achievements, Cloud & Workshop
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Please do not ask liamgamer to find a better usage for [his] time. Some of us remember what happened the last time.
On topic, Paradox had previously made their preference for Steam well known (wasn't here for that particular argument, so I didn't participate in it). Making the conscious decision to buy from GG (who are the ONLY retailers to sell the non-Steam copy) means that you specifically wanted the non-DRM copy.
The indies do have an extra cost but Valve does special things for the Humble Bundle to help offset them. But PI is a big company and Valve probably wants to treat hem the same way they'd treat EA. Valve works with tens of thousands of companies. Yea, that many, and they can't do special deal for most or barely a few. Greenlight got going because Steam was so overloaded that many great titles would not have been seen for 5 years, that's how b ad over-worked the crew is.
I didn't know anything about the GG Steam complain in this forum before I bought the game.
I don't care about DRM. I opened GG, I went "oh right this is a thing that exists" and bought it. I wasn't around for the whole argument. There was no warning on GG that copies of the game bought there could have been deprived of future features added into the Steam version instead, nor I paid less the game or the DLCs because of that.
(No, you were right, I just added it in, based on your suggestion :] )Oh, didn't see that, sorry!
Don't worry, I forgive you, young one!
Not true.
I bought my GG version from Green Man Gaming. Which was a total fluke on my part, but still, not true.
You have the full content you paid for, nothing has been taken away from you. The fact that other people are getting more for nothing is not a penalty on you, it doesn't affect you in the slightest. They are getting a bonus, you are not getting a penalty.
Such as?
No it's not. When frequent flyers get free flights, do you have a right to them too? When a customer gets a free gift for being the 100,000th person through the door, are you being penalised by not getting that same gift? No, you are not. And you have no right in any consumer law in any country to insist you do.
If we're going semantic, since GG users are a minority and they aren't getting something that the majority, the Steam users, get, the GG users are, in fact, being penalised. "Bonus" and "penalty" are applicable only if they apply to a minority.
This is quite frankly the same as someone would go buy a movie and buy it on DVD then later the BD version is announched that has more content. Then the DVD people start to demand that they should get the BD disc for free because they already bougth the DVD version.
If I am a frequent flyer, I have a right to them to. The gift makes no sense, because it's not 1 in 100,000 getting the bonus - but 95% or more. It's more like I enter in a shop and the casher tells me that I am the 666th person through the door, so I get to pay the full price on every offer in the shop.
If we're going to get correctly semantic, you are utterly wrong here. There is nothing in "bonus" or "penalty" that implies minority. As an example, everyone in my company gets a bonus if we make our numbers, 100% of us (or none).
Same for:
pen·al·ty
/ˈpenltē/
Noun
A punishment imposed for breaking a law, rule, or contract.
A disadvantage or unpleasant experience suffered as the result of an action or circumstance.
More like, there are two DVD versions sold in seperate stores (since if it's a BD you'll probably need a different device to play the content, not to mention cost differences), but at the beginning they had the same content.
I agree with the general sentiment of the post, though. It's extremely silly.
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Hm. If we're going semantic to the max, he is currently in an unpleasant experience suffered as a result of his buying of a GG version.
Regardless of the numbers you are insisting it is a "basic consumer right" that you ought to get something that some other customers have been offered for nothing. It is not. You are wrong in law, in custom, in practice, in every possible way when you make that claim.
This...Especially because the Steam version is using STEAM features that GG users purposely didn't get...GG isn't the same type of thing as Steam, it doesn't log hours and such, and if you wanted something like that that's why you buy the Steam version
Not really as currently Steam and GG are two different systems offering the game. So my example fits quite nicely. The Steam version already used Steam Community In-Game function that even allows you to take pictures directly to Steam. So there was already difference from the start. In short this is just one step forward.
The games are read identically and...
Yeah there's no point in extending the analogy further. I simply agreed with the sentiment
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