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Yeah cause maps completely filled with byzantine empire are so historical. This game is a simulator not a documentary. Its a tool to play the game out with, stop imposing useless political nonsense into a game and get over yourselves. Don't like it, don't use it.
 
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Yeah cause maps completely filled with byzantine empire are so historical. This game is a simulator not a documentary. Its a tool to play the game out with, stop imposing useless political nonsense into a game and get over yourselves. Don't like it, don't use it.
political ?
 
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Before I comment...is that base game or mod?

It's from the new expansion.

Yeah cause maps completely filled with byzantine empire are so historical. This game is a simulator not a documentary. Its a tool to play the game out with, stop imposing useless political nonsense into a game and get over yourselves. Don't like it, don't use it.

Yes, please do get over yourself and stop imposing political nonsense into this game. There's already a mod for this.
 
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I assume it's inspired by the less-traditional administrations such as Cathar and Basque kingdoms. To me, it seemed kind of silly that as an all(ish)-powerful ruler I could only declare women on a more equal status if I were of a specific heresy or culture.

<Insert the obligatory examples of powerful female rulers here.>

Of course, I hope it is done right, and causes an opinion malus with more traditional vassals (clergy and bishops) and males of your dynasty, and is not an option for strictly male games like Patrician and Muslim realms.
 
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Hm. Thinking about it, it does make me think about why it is here. Perhaps Paradox thought of a way/mechanic for male characters to take control of their spouse's titles for Conclave.
Leave it to Paradox to add female-specific mechanics that make the world a better place for just the men :)

It's the thing I am most excited about :D

Really hoping it applies to republics too!
Republics have a hard issue where if two doges or even patricians marry, it creates a bit of a mess. Supposedly this would merge houses or even entire republics. Unless they work around it this won't be in the patch, I recon.
 
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You guys are thinking too small. Maybe the game uses it for stuff like theocracies where women can be priests, and that kind of stuff.
 
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I am fine with it as long as it is exclusive to certain cultures(Basque for example)/religions(Cathars). Matrilineal marriages are already cringeworthy being in the game already. The only ones I can think of in history all occurred in Europa Universalis timeline and not CK2's timeline. If they don't have it tied to cultures/religions I will just mod it out just like matrilineal marriages to make the game more history friendly and less political.
 
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Then why is it visible in a feudal screenshot?
Same reason why true cognatic succession is visible to most characters, even though they'll never be able to use it, maybe? True cognatic, even if you can't use it, still shows up in the inheritance UI so you can see the tooltip that tells you why you can't use it. Possibly some heresies like the Cathars might be able to use it for feudal succession. I don't expect this to be freely usable by anyone without the aid of special religions/government types.
 
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I think it'd be cool from a role playing perpective. Imagine a powerful queen who ascended to the throne who sees no reason not to give women a bit more power

Or maybe it's a regency with a toddler king and the Queen mother is a strong personality maybe she'd "convince" her son to liberalise laws a bit.

And I also think it'd be cool to see the ebb and flow of rights based on the age and times. Maybe you have knowledgeable progressive leaders who lend women more rights and then lose a civil war and decline in status and a zealot takes over who gives them marginal rights all over again.

That's happened to a lesser extent in certain areas. I doubt to any level of equality, but it's been said in some societies women had some rights in short bursts and stops
 
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Should we not first know what the effects and requirements are Before go on about how unhistorical it is?
 
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Ok I love woman and dont go SJW on me but does CK2 really needs a status of woman realm law status, for the era? Feels alien to me. What you guys think? Needed or could have been spot for something more authentic?
crusader_kings_ii_conclave_02.jpg

The only alien thing is the word "status". It implies that women's status was somehow lower, which was not the case, if we speak of e.g. feudal Europe. There were differences between the genders, for example when it comes to landholding, but their status as in "dignity", "respected" or "human value" was certainly fully equal. Just as an example, there are clear historical records of cases where e.g. men acted against their wife's interests or wishes, whether it was selling/granting land without her permit or abusing her dowry. These were taken care of in court cases and the woman's husband-lord were convicted and fined, regardless of how high title rank they had. There were even customs of life-long income support to the wife by the husband (to be upheld even after his death). All of those things naturally varied by geographic region, social class, etc.

If by status on the other hand we mean "legal rights of women are equal to men", then of course the status was lower/different for women in some regards (e.g. the husband would usually hold her land and be her lord, but then you also have those restrictions from the wife and her consent). But then again, legal rights were lower long after the middle ages too. As an example you can take women's right to vote in general elections (20th century).

So yes, the word "status" is confusing. Women did not have lower status, only different rights. Rights which by themselves were not necessarily invented in the middle ages either, but passed on culture and traditions from previous eras.. Maybe better would have been something like "chivalric customs", stuff that compensate (by males) rather than make rights equal (e.g. regards to inheritances and the use of things like half-dowers).
 
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Should we not first know what the effects and requirements are Before go on about how unhistorical it is?

That was the same think I was thinking... we don't even know what the law does exactly. We don't even know the description!
 
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Anita Sarkeesian discovered that the game had an option for strictly Agnatic inheritance and told Paradox to make immediate changes to their misogynistic software or face the wraith of her insufferable SJW hordes!
 
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