Statistic Page

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How is the statistics page in TRP?


Is it possible to see exact number on enamy army, or is it hided....
Hope its possible to remove it so we dont get it...

 

[Lothos]

You can't remove the statistics page. About the only thing I can think of is to put a complete black image that is the same color as the text but I am not sure that would work.

 

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Yes i tryed with a black page, but problem is that still half is visible, i will will try working on other alternatives....

 

[Luxor]

Is this supposed to be for MP?

 

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Actually, I think the stats page should stay with some modification:

Ideally, I think it should reflect your over-all intelligence estimates of the forces of other nations.

Now, how to achieve this?

Well, the 'best' solution would be to have it tied to a number of factors:

1. Your relations with the country concerned. Your allies would be more forthcoming than your enemies, one would think!

2. The 'geo-political' relationship with the country concerned. For example, USSR would spend more time keeping an eye on the military preparedness of Germany and Japan than the USA as the former represented more of a direct threat to the USSR.

3. Your intelligence tech relative to the country concerned. i.e. encryption and decryption techs. For instance, if you have a higher level of encryption than another country's decryption then they would get a penalty in making estimates of your preparedness.

4. Your political sliders. A closed dictatorship naturally makes it harder to gather intelligence within it than an open democracy.

5. The type of unit about which the info is being reported. It's kind of difficult to hide a battleship, and not too difficult to count them all, but the same is certainly NOT true about infantry divs.

So, looking at all these, what would be best is if the screen presented the information as it does now, but the TRUE data gets modified according to a combined effect from those factors above and it is the MODIFIED data you see. Note that this could result in both over/underestimation of the true data. I think that is more realistic than blanking it out as all countries keep estimates of other countries' military capabilities.

I don't know if this is at all possible from a mod point of view. Obviously it would be possible to come up with a list of factors which generate a total +/- % accuracy and then apply those to the data, but the questions are
a) can the data be sourced then modified before being presented in the screen, and
b) can you mod the system so it presents the altered data in the table.

With this system you'd have further reason to chase the cryptography techs, and the stats page would become a sensible part of the information available to your government.

Comments, anyone?

 

[Brasidas]

Steel, HC

This has been talked about. Anything beyond a blacking out of the screen is beyond the scope of a user-made mod and belongs in the "enhancements" section. Though its been discussed since HoI1 and this is "informative" approach the direction that Johan has chosen to go.

Please note the lack of enthusiasm by the management indicated by a similar thread in the enhancements sub-forum.

 

[Lothos]

Steeltrap

We can not do any of your suggestions.

 

[The Albatross]

Stats Page

Steel, HC

This has been talked about. Anything beyond a blacking out of the screen is beyond the scope of a user-made mod and belongs in the "enhancements" section. Though its been discussed since HoI1 and this is "informative" approach the direction that Johan has chosen to go.

Please note the lack of enthusiasm by the management indicated by a similar thread in the enhancements sub-forum.

I agree with Steeltrap that it needs to have "Fog of War" properly applied to it -- especially for MP play.
I cannot see why this should present such a problem, after all, the enemy units that you are adjacent to on the map have inexact data (like numbers and types of divisions hidden from you). Each step in encryption/decrypt techs and the like enables more intelligence gathering.

It makes the MP game too easy for players to gather "int" data that IRL they would not have been able to acquire.

The best solution would be for future "enhancements" by PI allowing a mod-dir function so that the modders themselves can work on a practical solution.

Then we will see some interesting developments in the MP games where Fog of War means just that!!!
Cheers

 

[Lothos]

The problem is if we blank out the stats page it blanks out all those pages. The program was not designed for this so there is no solution.

 

[The Albatross]

No Solution!!????

Lothos - I am surprised at this absolute comment -- there is always a solution -- it is just a matter of the fine detail (like hundreds of lines of coding)

The PI guys need to enable you modders to apply 'Fog-of-War' to the stats page -- It is just too easy for other MP players to simply look up the Stats page and determine your strategic direction.....forget all the spiel about "every nation had a good idea about what the others were up to" -- historically this assertion comprehensively failed......( remember Chamberlain -- Peace in Our Time??)

Lets move forward -- Stats Page needs attention...

Cheers

 

[Lothos]

Let me make this clear

PI does not have to do a damm thing unless they want to. Sorry to put you back in your place but they are running a busines and not your personal modification toy. I ask for favors from time to time from PI and sometimes they do it and sometimes they do not. I can tell you beyond a resonable doubt that what you are asking will never happen so just stop it cause at this point your just spamming (even though you are making a legitamate request but it will never happen)

 

[The Albatross]

Let me make this clear

PI does not have to do a damm thing unless they want to. Sorry to put you back in your place but they are running a busines and not your personal modification toy.

1. Never claimed it was "my personal...toy". Simply adding my support to other MP players.

I ask for favors from time to time from PI and sometimes they do it and sometimes they do not.

2. I have only had 1 PM from Johan - so I am out of the loop, and therfore unaware of 'Official PI Policy' on any issues like this.

I can tell you beyond a resonable doubt that what you are asking will never happen so just stop it cause at this point your just spamming (even though you are making a legitamate request but it will never happen)

3. My participation in these forums is based on the following quote:

"Some people look at things as they are, and ask 'Why?', I prefer to look at things that never have been and ask, 'Why not?' " -- Robert Kennedy.

4. And yes...., your point, tone and manner are quite clear.

 

[Lothos]

I just don't think you need to push this any further. I seen you post this same request in other areas and people tell you the same thing. This is a wont fix for Paradox as it is not a bug nor does it provide any enhancement to the game. I much rather have Paradox fix bugs.