Does anyone know if Paradox is going to redesign the map so that map will have the 13 original colonies?
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I believe the map will be essentially the same as it is now, except for less PTI. We've had no mention of redrawing any boundaries that I've seen.
Just for fun I made a list of what areas would go in each state or province in the US and Canada. I will post it if you are really interested. For the most part there would be no problem to create states and provinces based on the current areas in North America. Some areas need to be either adjusted or split up to fit near the historical borders of the states and provinces though.
I know where the states go and I hope Paradox knows. I just think it will be a bit weird having no Virginia and Manhattan for New York being that they were too of the states who pushed for independence.
What makes you think that, just because that's how the boundaries happened to turn out, it was and would always have been utterly impossible for them to be any different?
As requested with some comments.
UNITED STATES:
Maine - Bangor, Penobscot
New Hampshire and Vermont - Megantic
Massachusetts - Massachusetts
Connecticut - Conneticut
New York - Ticonderoga, Sebago, Adirondak, Oswego, Catskills,
Onondaga, Mohawk
New Jersey - Manhattan
Pennslyvania - Susquehanah, Tuscarora, Irondekoit
Delaware - Delaware
Virginia - Shenendoah(later West Virginia), Powhatten, Chesapeak
North Carolina - Roanoke, Catawba, Appalatchee
South Carolina - Alleghaney, Carolina, Santee
Georgia - Alabama, Savannah
Florida - Talahasse, Seminole, Everglades
Alabama - Mobile, Tuscalosa
Mississippi - Biloxi, Yazoo
Tennessee - Tennessee
Kentucky - Kentucky
Ohio - Erie
Michigan - Sault, Michili., Detroit
Indiana - Miami, Hindua, Fox
Illinois - Illinois, Milwaulkee
Wisconsin - Duluth, Oskosh
Minnesota - Wisconsin, Mesabi, Minnesota
Lousiana - Bayou
Texas - Rio Grande, Matogorda, Wichita, Concho, Pecos, El Paso
Arkansas - Arkansas, Mississippi
Missouri - Missouri
Iowa - Iowa
New Mexico - Arizona, Pinalero
Arizona - Salton, Canyon
California - San Bernadino, Sierra Madre, Monterey, Sacramento
Oregon - Nehalem
Washington - Columbia, Olympia
Alaska - Aleutes
Hawai - Kuai, Oahu
CANADA
British Columbia - Nanaimo, Sitka, Yukon, Kitimat
Ontario - Superior, Athabaska, Chino, Eskimaklt, Winisk, Nueltin,
Nipissing, Niagra, Oshawa, Huron, Hochelaga, Shawinigan, Otawa
Quebec - Attawapiskat, Laurentia, Kebec, Rimouski, Chicoutimi,
Manicougan, Chisasibi, Ungava, Mamicougan, Torngat, Anticosti,
Gaspee
New Foundland - Nain, Caniapiscau, Belle Isle, Gander, Placentia,
Wabana
New Brunswick - Micmac, Fundy
Nova Scotia - Nova Scotia
Prince Edward Island - Isle Royale
Sorry for the bad spellings but I had to switch between the game and wordpad to do this. I think the names are spelled close enough that you can match the name and area.
Problem areas for this exercise:
Manhatten - Needs to be renamed. Really is the New Jersey area.
Alleghany - Cut the eastren edge of the area off by following the natural connection of the eastern line edge of Appalatchee and Alabama. Then split the resulting area between Santee and Carolina. This would add this area to the state of Tennessee or North Carolina.
Yazoo - Move the northern area line down opposite of the river splitting Arkansas and Mississippi. Either make a new zone(which would be in the state of Tennessee) or give it to the Tennessee area.
Hindua - split the area into 2 new areas following the line between the Michi. and Detroit southwest. West part would be in Indiana and east part in Ohio.
Fox - Adjust the eastren area edge west some and give resulting areas to Miamis. Will make Indaiana a long narrow 2 area state.
Arizona - adjust the south zone edge of this area so that the area edge is between the end of the Rio Grande and the point where Eplame, Arizona and Canyon meet. I would divide the resulting area between Epalme and Chihuahua.
Canyon - I would adjust the south area edge from where it jogs south near the "C" in Canyon to be between that point and the point just below the "A" in Arizona. Give the resulting area to Altar.
Name changes:
I figure people probably posted that some of the areas have the wrong names already. I would really like to see some areas like Carolina changed to indian names which for this area would most likely be Edisto. It would make the areas more generic to the countries that colonize them.
I just want to state again that this is just an interesting exercise in joining up areas into states. I don't think state boundries should be added to the game unless the US breaks into seperate independant states or into regional countries such as a USA, CSA, Canada(not that Canada ever belonged to the US), etc type situations.
Of course it would be kinda neat if the program could take a large section of revolting areas and make random sized countries with random leaders, names and capitols.
Say for example England conquers all of the north part of South America and later 50% of the areas revolt and eventually get independence. It would be nice to have the program randomly create, say, 3 large countries with attendant leaders, name and capital out of the areas revolting rather than creating the modern South American countries with Anglicized names and Spanish leaders.
Well maybe not. You would then have to have some kind of A.I. script for each new country and you couldn't determine how to script the A.I. because of the random nature of the formation of the countries. Probably too hard to code.
UNITED STATES:
Maine - Bangor, Penobscot
New Hampshire and Vermont - Megantic
Massachusetts - Massachusetts
Connecticut - Conneticut
New York - Ticonderoga, Sebago, Adirondak, Oswego, Catskills,
Onondaga, Mohawk
New Jersey - Manhattan
Pennslyvania - Susquehanah, Tuscarora, Irondekoit
Delaware - Delaware
Virginia - Shenendoah(later West Virginia), Powhatten, Chesapeak
North Carolina - Roanoke, Catawba, Appalatchee
South Carolina - Alleghaney, Carolina, Santee
Georgia - Alabama, Savannah
Florida - Talahasse, Seminole, Everglades
Alabama - Mobile, Tuscalosa
Mississippi - Biloxi, Yazoo
Tennessee - Tennessee
Kentucky - Kentucky
Ohio - Erie
Michigan - Sault, Michili., Detroit
Indiana - Miami, Hindua, Fox
Illinois - Illinois, Milwaulkee
Wisconsin - Duluth, Oskosh
Minnesota - Wisconsin, Mesabi, Minnesota
Lousiana - Bayou
Texas - Rio Grande, Matogorda, Wichita, Concho, Pecos, El Paso
Arkansas - Arkansas, Mississippi
Missouri - Missouri
Iowa - Iowa
New Mexico - Arizona, Pinalero
Arizona - Salton, Canyon
California - San Bernadino, Sierra Madre, Monterey, Sacramento
Oregon - Nehalem
Washington - Columbia, Olympia
Alaska - Aleutes
Hawai - Kuai, Oahu
CANADA
British Columbia - Nanaimo, Sitka, Yukon, Kitimat
Ontario - Superior, Athabaska, Chino, Eskimaklt, Winisk, Nueltin,
Nipissing, Niagra, Oshawa, Huron, Hochelaga, Shawinigan, Otawa
Quebec - Attawapiskat, Laurentia, Kebec, Rimouski, Chicoutimi,
Manicougan, Chisasibi, Ungava, Mamicougan, Torngat, Anticosti,
Gaspee
New Foundland - Nain, Caniapiscau, Belle Isle, Gander, Placentia,
Wabana
New Brunswick - Micmac, Fundy
Nova Scotia - Nova Scotia
Prince Edward Island - Isle Royale
Sorry for the bad spellings but I had to switch between the game and wordpad to do this. I think the names are spelled close enough that you can match the name and area.
Problem areas for this exercise:
Manhatten - Needs to be renamed. Really is the New Jersey area.
Alleghany - Cut the eastren edge of the area off by following the natural connection of the eastern line edge of Appalatchee and Alabama. Then split the resulting area between Santee and Carolina. This would add this area to the state of Tennessee or North Carolina.
Yazoo - Move the northern area line down opposite of the river splitting Arkansas and Mississippi. Either make a new zone(which would be in the state of Tennessee) or give it to the Tennessee area.
Hindua - split the area into 2 new areas following the line between the Michi. and Detroit southwest. West part would be in Indiana and east part in Ohio.
Fox - Adjust the eastren area edge west some and give resulting areas to Miamis. Will make Indaiana a long narrow 2 area state.
Arizona - adjust the south zone edge of this area so that the area edge is between the end of the Rio Grande and the point where Eplame, Arizona and Canyon meet. I would divide the resulting area between Epalme and Chihuahua.
Canyon - I would adjust the south area edge from where it jogs south near the "C" in Canyon to be between that point and the point just below the "A" in Arizona. Give the resulting area to Altar.
Name changes:
I figure people probably posted that some of the areas have the wrong names already. I would really like to see some areas like Carolina changed to indian names which for this area would most likely be Edisto. It would make the areas more generic to the countries that colonize them.
I just want to state again that this is just an interesting exercise in joining up areas into states. I don't think state boundries should be added to the game unless the US breaks into seperate independant states or into regional countries such as a USA, CSA, Canada(not that Canada ever belonged to the US), etc type situations.
Of course it would be kinda neat if the program could take a large section of revolting areas and make random sized countries with random leaders, names and capitols.
Say for example England conquers all of the north part of South America and later 50% of the areas revolt and eventually get independence. It would be nice to have the program randomly create, say, 3 large countries with attendant leaders, name and capital out of the areas revolting rather than creating the modern South American countries with Anglicized names and Spanish leaders.
Well maybe not. You would then have to have some kind of A.I. script for each new country and you couldn't determine how to script the A.I. because of the random nature of the formation of the countries. Probably too hard to code.
Blast! I forgot all about Maryland. My deepest apologies to any Marylanders out there. I will go with that.
Didn't see Rhode Island either, but that's understandable, alot of people blink and miss it.
Sometimes I wonder... Am I the only person alive who loves Baltimore or what?
love that city...tuna
Maryland
Everyone loves Baltimore! Oh yea, Maryland would be the delaware province, cheasapeake provence and the province west of those two, i think its shannandoah. MD is small but it has wierd gunlike shape so it takes up a few provinces. Also, i really think the developers need to make the american provinces in the shape of states. LAstly, i saw the news of EUII on ebworld.com and they said the sequel will add a extra 100 years to the game, so it should goto 1892 now right? I saw no mention of this on the paradox page for EU. If this is true AND I HOPE IT WILL, they will need to make the american provinces in the shape of the real states to recreate the american civil war.
Everyone loves Baltimore! Oh yea, Maryland would be the delaware province, cheasapeake provence and the province west of those two, i think its shannandoah. MD is small but it has wierd gunlike shape so it takes up a few provinces. Also, i really think the developers need to make the american provinces in the shape of states. LAstly, i saw the news of EUII on ebworld.com and they said the sequel will add a extra 100 years to the game, so it should goto 1892 now right? I saw no mention of this on the paradox page for EU. If this is true AND I HOPE IT WILL, they will need to make the american provinces in the shape of the real states to recreate the american civil war.
Bah! Massachusetts should have Bangor and Penobscot at this time!!!
Maybe I'm just biased since I'm from MA!
Maybe I'm just biased since I'm from MA!
Re: Maryland
They are adding some time on to both ends. The new dates will be 1419-1820.
Andrew
They are adding some time on to both ends. The new dates will be 1419-1820.
Andrew
I don't think it's really necessary to have to post the locations of the various US states; I would imagine that if Paradox is going to change the boundries in North America to reflect the present state of affairs, they could simply consult an atlas to find this information!
Hey I asked first before posting the list. Galadriel said he/she wanted to see it, so I posted it.
Great effort!
But Megantic is a city in Québec. They should divide the province because you're right, one part goes to US.
Shawinigan and Hochelaga are in Québec (cities)
But Megantic is a city in Québec. They should divide the province because you're right, one part goes to US.
Shawinigan and Hochelaga are in Québec (cities)
The borders of the 13 original colonies were vague and fought over (politically). I dont think that establishing provinces based on these vague, often speculative, borders are nescesarry. These borders also have little/no relation to how many of the states actually turned out in the long run. I say just leave things the way they are, The United States can be modeled just as well with these provinces as well as they could have been with state borders.
Also, the provinces are divided using Indian names for land, how the natives percieve there land, based on stretches of territory with the same terrain and goods. So Virginia, my home state, has estuary-swamps around the Chesapeake, more or less plains until the blue ridge mountains, and its pretty much hilly into West Virginia.
So I think its perfectly fine the way it is. Imagine if there werent states and the US was contigous and not divided, youd probably divide things up in your head as "that stretch of mountains" or "the swampy area around the chesapeake" and such...
Also, the provinces are divided using Indian names for land, how the natives percieve there land, based on stretches of territory with the same terrain and goods. So Virginia, my home state, has estuary-swamps around the Chesapeake, more or less plains until the blue ridge mountains, and its pretty much hilly into West Virginia.
So I think its perfectly fine the way it is. Imagine if there werent states and the US was contigous and not divided, youd probably divide things up in your head as "that stretch of mountains" or "the swampy area around the chesapeake" and such...