state culture limits gameplay

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Hi,

When, as England, I am granted via event Bombay and Madras in India, and dravidian and marathi as state cultures, this ensures that I should focus on conquering similar culture provinces in India. If, however, I would like to conquer Java, or Vietnam, or Japan, or anywhere else not covered by a gain state culture event, then my colonies there will suffer income/revolt penalties and I won't be able to recruit troops.

This in fact limits me to following historical examples or be punished. It seems to me that state culture is a hindrance more of a help in the game.

Another thing that I find extremely annoying are events that grant free provinces in India or elsewhere to European powers. These are just a free gift to the player. Especially if you as a player already own a province, and are forced to cede it via event to a rival nation, like a SE province of India to France or Flanders to Holland. I can see that this might be required to give the AI some much needed help, but I don't think that human players should be granted free provinces or vassals (ie Portugal). The game is easy enough to play without the gifts.

cheers,

kilolima

 

[The Swert]

You must be playing some kind of mod, i'm guessing AGCEEP, because England definately doesn't get any cultures in Vanilla 1.09. Since i know nothing of AGCEEP i can't really comment but...

I believe state cultures are supposed to be hinderance and you should be thankful that you recieve any by event because like i said, in vanilla you don't. Personally i would like to see events that give any nation a state culture when they conquer the cultural centre of that people and hold it until nationalism ends. Because obviously cultures change over time but EU2 doesn't represent that very well.

 

[SeedSnatcher]

It's not AGCEEP.

 

[unmerged(40707)]

It's not AGCEEP.

Confirmed

England with Dravidian and Marathi cultures is not possible in AGCEEP.

 

[Bordic]

It is EP.

 

[unmerged(52751)]

Yes, I am using EP.

I thought it would make the game harder... but if it grants cultures, doesn't that make the game easier?!

What is nationalism and how does it end?

Cheers,

kilolima

 

[Incompetent]

Yes, I am using EP.

I thought it would make the game harder... but if it grants cultures, doesn't that make the game easier?!

What is nationalism and how does it end?

Cheers,

kilolima

Nationalism is something which happens when you assume ownership of a province that was previously owned by another country, whether by peace treaty, annexation or inheritance. If you gain a province, you will get nationalism on it unless:
- the province has pagan religion (pagan provinces never experience nationalism)
- you got the province because it defected to you
- I think TPs and colonies might be exempt, but I'm not sure about this

If you get nationalism on a province, it lasts 30 years from the time you take ownership of the province, and there's no way to make that time go any faster. Nationalism causes revolt risk (starts at 3%, goes down by 1% per decade) unless you have a core on the province, or it's a TP/colony (TPs and colonies always have 0% RR); it also reduces manpower (for the first 10 years) and prevents automatic culture switching of colonial cities (ie, the culture can only switch once the nationalism has gone away).

 

[jayswimmer]

Personally i would like to see events that give any nation a state culture when they conquer the cultural centre of that people and hold it until nationalism ends. Because obviously cultures change over time but EU2 doesn't represent that very well.

I totally agree with this. I have taken over France (as Germany) after about 50 years, I decided to give myself French as a culture. It seemed that at that point I had effectively become a German/French nation.

Spain is my next target, if I succeed in conquering them, I may add Spanish after nationalism has faded.

 

[Emperor_krk]

Isn't it going to get too easy? I mean, German and French provinces are damn rich. If you have their culture, your income won't get any penalties, making you too strong for any AI. Which would just spoil most of the game's fun - for me, at least.

Personally i would like to see events that give any nation a state culture when they conquer the cultural centre of that people and hold it until nationalism ends. Because obviously cultures change over time but EU2 doesn't represent that very well.

Did Russia get in any way Polish after 1815 and taking most of their land? Having another nation's culture in the game represents not only thepresence of that culture within the country's society, but also it's influence on the country. Could you say that, e.g. Great Britain got culturally Hinduised (or however you could call it) after conquering India in the 19th century? No. Therefore, getting cultures like this would be too much of an exploit in the game and, well, impossible IRL.

 

[Dell19]

Cultures in the game do not necessarily mean that though. It could be that you have conquered a group of provinces with a different culture and there are situations where it would make sense for that culture to be added to the state cultures.

An example would be an innovative Hungary conquering the Bulgarian provinces off the Ottomans in the early game. In this situation it sort of makes sense for Hungary to get Bulgarian as a culture since those provinces are initially pretty poor and might actually be happy about no longer being under Ottoman rule (Particularly if the Ottomans were narrowminded).

 

[Waffen9999]

Did Russia get in any way Polish after 1815 and taking most of their land? Having another nation's culture in the game represents not only thepresence of that culture within the country's society, but also it's influence on the country. Could you say that, e.g. Great Britain got culturally Hinduised (or however you could call it) after conquering India in the 19th century? No. Therefore, getting cultures like this would be too much of an exploit in the game and, well, impossible IRL.

Britain no, but India based on what your asking was immersed in British culture. Even today India still utilizes alot of British customs, most paticularly with regards to their legal and governmental bodies. Granted that doesn't mean Britain should have any of the Indian cultures since it certainly didn't go the other way, but nor do I think financial impediments should be bestowed on any country for missing culture, that just seems silly, kind of like in Victoria with non state cultures generating less production, it doesn't make sense.

 

[Dspencer]

brits don't drink tea?!! o

 

[The Swert]

Did Russia get in any way Polish after 1815 and taking most of their land?

Well maybe after 300 years of occupation it might have. But i take your point. Perhaps it's more historically viable to have provinces to convert to the state culture rather than a state culture being added. But you would think that most provinces of a culture would assimilate after relatively the same length of time, something more than just a random event like the conversion of heretics.

 

[Emperor_krk]

But you would think that most provinces of a culture would assimilate after relatively the same length of time, something more than just a random event like the conversion of heretics.

It would be more convenient, certainly. But, OTOH, look at all the peoples under the Ottoman rule: Greeks, all kinds of Slavs, Albanians - they never "changed" their culture, still feeling Greek, Slavic or Albanian despite those 400 years of occupation. Of course, lots of them became muslim, but they never lost their nationality. The same could be said about the Poles and their 123 years' long loss of independence.

By the way, did Paradox ever actually state, why there are penalties to one's income and stabcost because of province's non-state culture? It would be best to just know this instead of debating it here...

 

[SeedSnatcher]

Stabcost is probably understandable, but why you get less taxes is a good question. Probably done for game balance with no real historical background. Oh, and to kilolima, may I suggest you try EU1? There are no cultures at all in that game.

 

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By the way, did Paradox ever actually state, why there are penalties to one's income and stabcost because of province's non-state culture? It would be best to just know this instead of debating it here...

Culture does not influence stabcost.

 

[Emperor_krk]

Sorry, you're right. It doesn't. Confused it with religion modifiers.

 

[DPS]

I'm pretty sure that the tax reduction in non-state culture provinces is basically just for game balance purposes.

 

[Quift]

I always thought of it as a reflection of a lesser net value while you all seem to argue on the gross value. You get less from a wrong culture provs because of the higher cost in administration, security, policing etc. The penalty reflects a higher difficulty to maintain the ownership due to relying more on a less loyal local nobility etc.

IMO quite reasonable.

 

[ComradeOm]

Culture does not influence stabcost.

Unless of course you want to convert a conquered province with a different religion.

Personally I love the way culture was implemented in EUII. It serves to limit my conquests and make me think twice about expansion.