What exactly do the four choices you make when you discover State and Gov't do. Thier outcomes aren't listed when you highlight a choice, and I would like to know in advance what I am selecting.
-
We have updated our Community Code of Conduct. Please read through the new rules for the forum that are an integral part of Paradox Interactive’s User Agreement.
Tai-Pan said:
No they haven't. Can you or someone please tell me the consequenses of each of these four choices.
Hmm, have not figured it all out myself. I know meritocracy forces aristocrats back to their manors. And one should mean that issues are more important than ideology. But as to the specifics, I am not sure (there is one set of 4 choices that messes up your diplomacy chances but I avoid that now).
State & Government you say? Well here's what it does.
-Populism Vs. Establishment. If you choose Populism, your pops should vote on the issues they support, ie. a fullcitizenship/jingoism pop will vote for a party that has those plans. Establishment they'll vote on their ideology that they support.
-Clericalism Vs. Anticlericalism. If you plan on playing a secularized or communist party later than Anticlericalism is the choice as 25% of your pops will have atheist as a dominant issue. Clericalism will give 25% of the pops moralism as a dominant issue.
-Bureaucracy Vs. Nepotism. The choice of picking the best qualified or political friends. Bureaucracy is the best qualified, Nepotism the political friends. I believe this influences certain random events.
-Meritocracy Vs. Aristocracy. Meritocracy, promoting based on skill rather than birth. Meritocracy increases Capitalist income bonus while decreasing Aristocrat income bonus. It does however open the chance for stock market crash according to reports. Aristocracy if I remember gives a bonus to diplomacy X.25 to be exact, it renders Capitalist income to practically garbage as well as preventing the chance from stock market crash occuring.
Edited to fix my backwardsness of Populism Vs. Establishment.
-Populism Vs. Establishment. If you choose Populism, your pops should vote on the issues they support, ie. a fullcitizenship/jingoism pop will vote for a party that has those plans. Establishment they'll vote on their ideology that they support.
-Clericalism Vs. Anticlericalism. If you plan on playing a secularized or communist party later than Anticlericalism is the choice as 25% of your pops will have atheist as a dominant issue. Clericalism will give 25% of the pops moralism as a dominant issue.
-Bureaucracy Vs. Nepotism. The choice of picking the best qualified or political friends. Bureaucracy is the best qualified, Nepotism the political friends. I believe this influences certain random events.
-Meritocracy Vs. Aristocracy. Meritocracy, promoting based on skill rather than birth. Meritocracy increases Capitalist income bonus while decreasing Aristocrat income bonus. It does however open the chance for stock market crash according to reports. Aristocracy if I remember gives a bonus to diplomacy X.25 to be exact, it renders Capitalist income to practically garbage as well as preventing the chance from stock market crash occuring.
Edited to fix my backwardsness of Populism Vs. Establishment.
Last edited:
Meritocracy also gives a penalty to dipomacy. I believe it reduces your diplomatic efficiency by half.Waffen8888 said:
Memnon said:
You know I don't think it does. I seem to recall it doing that before. But in my current game as Russia I chose Meritocracy and with 2,500 plus prestige I'm gaining 3 diplomats a year. 1 for being a great power, 1 for base, and .25 for the 4 prestige levels for a total 3.
Hmmm...Waffen8888 said:
I recall it doing it too, of course, but it's been so long since I chose it--for that very reason--that they may have changed it without my having realized.
Do you mean that VIP added the penalty? No, nor could they have eliminated it. I've still not played even one second of a VIP game, despite having downloaded it. The memory I have of having my diplomatic efficiency squashed is definitely from vanilla.Waffen8888 said:
I found it in the database. Yeah for Meritocracy it's supposed to lower your diplomatic efficiency. Perhaps the invention never triggered in my current game? I did get the Aristocrats withdraw to their manors event though, but I don't think the Merit is the Guiding Succession Principle in Government >event 22019< fired.
Last edited:
I don't play the diplomatic game much, but at the same time I always choose meritocracy (unless playing a huge population country like Russia) and I don't ever recall seeing a penalty to diplomatic efficiency. Next time I choose it, I'll pay attention and post if i remember to do so.
Ok, so 20% it is, then. I giess I'm just used to having the event fire multiple times in MP games, so my diplomatic efficiency ends up around 0.001 by the end of the game. Thank goodness I get two for being a Great Power.
Stick the text file in this rar in victoria\db\tech:
http://victoria.nsen.ch/wiki/images/2/2e/Culture_inventions.rar
I added some descriptions
http://victoria.nsen.ch/wiki/images/2/2e/Culture_inventions.rar
I added some descriptions
I can't open this since I'm at "work", but I'm curious--what's in it?Darkrenown said:Stick the text file in this rar in victoria\db\tech:
http://victoria.nsen.ch/wiki/images/2/2e/Culture_inventions.rar
I added some descriptions
Code:
#########################################################################
# Populism vs. Establishment
#########################################################################
name = "EVT_448_NAME"
desc = "With Populism, your pops should vote on the issues they support. With Establishment they'll vote on their ideology that they support."
#########################################################################
# Clericalism vs. Anticlericalism
#########################################################################
name = "EVT_449_NAME"
desc = "Anticlericalism will changes 25% of your pops to have have atheist as a dominant issue. Clericalism will give 25% of the pops moralism as a dominant issue."
#########################################################################
# Bureaucracy vs. Nepotism
#########################################################################
name = "EVT_450_NAME"
desc = "The choice of picking the best qualified or political friends. Bureaucracy is the best qualified, Nepotism the political friends."
#########################################################################
# Meritocracy vs. Aristocracy
#########################################################################
name = "EVT_451_NAME"
desc = "Meritocracy, promoting based on skill rather than birth. Meritocracy increases Capitalist income bonus while decreasing Aristocrat income bonus while giving a penatly to diplomacy. Aristocracy gives a bonus to diplomacy and lowers Capitalist's income bonus by half as well as preventing the chance of stock market crash occuring."hmm, so the second part of the event never bothered to fire in my game. What cheek is that!