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I am new to hearts of iron (but still pumped) hell I'm new to paradox games in general. After I discovered Vicky 2 about 2 years ago I can't get enough, but my question is what is a good nation to start out with when hoi4 comes out. I'm sure with enough playthroughs I'll get the hang of it but I want to start with a nation that won't make me pull my hair out. thoughts?
 

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Canada is a good choice in a historical game. You are a medium power, bordered by two oceans and a strong allied neighbour. You will have the resources/industry to help the Allied war effort, but the country is not big enough to overwhelm a beginner player, and making mistakes will not lose the war for your side.
 
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Italy is good if you want to tackle naval elements.

Hungary for possible very early conquest if you go Fascist.

Poland if you want to avoid late-game and see how much damage you can do before going down.

China is also very good. You will be managing your own small faction (Chinese United Front).
 

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Brazil is a good choice too, since supposedly the Monroe Doctrine will work properly in 4 you can conquer South America in a relatively slow paced way that will let you get familiar with combat while only using a few divisions. Once that's done you can choose to move north or call it good.
 

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After what i saw in the live stream, i would say Greece has become a viable option... When left to fight the AI, it stood it's ground, thanks to the mountainous borders.
 
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I'd say it's either Italy for being a balanced major country with tons of options and an easy war at startup, Germany for getting to learn the ropes by fighting powers much weaker than you or USA for being an industrial powerhouse that always has a few dozen more divisions to throw in.
 
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After what i saw in the live stream, i would say Greece has become a viable option... When left to fight the AI, it stood it's ground, thanks to the mountainous borders.
Like what happened historically during the winter 1940/41 then :)
 
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After what i saw in the live stream, i would say Greece has become a viable option... When left to fight the AI, it stood it's ground, thanks to the mountainous borders.

Joining the Chinese United Front certainly helped prolong things as well beyond 1941:) With Japan's navy gone, we saw some Chinese divisions in Europe.
 

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Like what happened historically during the winter 1940/41 then :)
Exactly like that :) And btw Loke, i just noticed you have been around in the forum almost a year longer than i have ! You have my respect, dear Sir :)
 
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Exactly like that :) And btw Loke, i just noticed you have been around in the forum almost a year longer than i have ! You have my respect, dear Sir :)
Hats off to you aswell, dear Sir! :)
 

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i've always been of the opinion Germany is one of the best tutorial nations. you have enough industry to do whatever you want with, you never have a problem with research (less of a problem in hoi4).

then you get a series of wars that scale up. Poland first up - virtually no chance of survival against germany even played poorly. Followed by belgium, netherlands, luxembourg and france. Obviously harder but still very winnable for a new player who will be either using AI or will be using the lessons they learned from manual control in poland.

Finally you get some time to yourself to re-organise your forces, to enjoy massive industrial capacity, and to prepare for Barbarossa. Then you get the "end game" of a typical germany campaign, the war in the east. Even if you lose at this point, that's okay. you've led germany on a warpath through all of europe and a huge invasion and either victory, or a desperate defense of the homeland.

fun times :D
 

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If youre a new you can lose as Germany vs Poland&Allies(France)...
On the other hand it is impossible to lose the Abysynian war Italy starts with, atleast I havent heard anyone losing that war as Italy.
 

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Historically, the "big" newbie nation has been Italy, and I see no reason why that would change this time around. You've got easy early wars, a flexible warmachine, and if all else fails Germany will be on your doorstep, ready to make up for any shortcomings on your end.
And let's face it, it would take a very special kind of "talent" to do worse than Moussolini did :D

Runner-ups in the past have been... the rest of the axis - Japan and Germany are both flexible countries, with relatively easy first conflicts and a plethora of tools to play around with.

As mentioned by others, the changes to the Munroe Doctrine should also make for some interesting games in south america - the top-dogs in Brazil and Argentina should both have enough tools to roll over the rest of the continent, ending with a climacting final showdown against their regional rival. Time will tell how it works out in practice, but it at least seems solid on paper....

I've also been thinking the Raj might be an interesting early option - you've got decent resources, early entry into the war, and enough distance from the front-lines to allow you to focus on building neato masterplans, without having to worry about screwing up your defenses. Kinda like a miniature US, 'cept with action prior to the end-game.
 

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Italy is good if you want to tackle naval elements.

Hungary for possible very early conquest if you go Fascist.

Poland if you want to avoid late-game and see how much damage you can do before going down.

China is also very good. You will be managing your own small faction (Chinese United Front).
Hungary is fascist from the beginning.
 
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As many have said, Italy.

It is a major, so they will be in the thick of it. It is in war from the start and is a tutorial nation so you get experience from the start. It has to focus on land, naval and air unlike other major nations that are less balanced. Germany needs very small navy, UK needs small land force and so on. Battlefields are small so you don't get lost in managing the battle. A lot of possible conquests in the Balkans and Africa.

Overall, a great starting nation - has a bit of everything and it is not overwhelmed to play with. Along with Japan, the most interesting major nation to play. Japan has very huge front and needs to focus a lot on navy so it is not so good for new players.
 
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I also agree with Italy and Canada as being good choices. I would also like to suggest Romania. I just like getting into a new HOI with them. Reasons - no navy to worry with, close to the early action but not directly involved, can run the game at higher speed until Barbarossa, can join Axis and help Ger. take down USSR, smaller economy but enough to do actually get some things done. Romania always seems like to good country to learn the basics without the pressure of a major. My 2 cents.