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Struggle for Adequacy: Making the transition

Starting a newbie game with a couple of fellow EU2 community regulars.

Current roster:
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Axis
Germany - Slargos
Italy - Aldo
Spain - Hive
Japan - HolisticGod

Allies
United Kingdom - Arcorelli
Canada or Australia - PJL
USA? - DarthMaur

Comintern
Soviet Union - Mulliman

Scenario: 1936

Time: Fridays 1900 GMT(?)

General rules and limitations
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Nukes: Not allowed.
Resources/Supplies: You can only send to nations in your alliance (exception: USA and CW nations may send to Soviets if Soviets are at war with Germany AND if the war was started by the Axis).
Events: Players are allowed to choose any of the choices available during an event or election (exception: France must accept Vichy if the Germans offer this, Japan must choose to become Paternal Autocrat).
New unit deployments: Newly produced units have to be deployed immediately.
General exploits: Not allowed (includes Japan annexing China before the Nanking event, using ghost armies to conquer enemy provinces, upgrading infrastructure in provinces that you will loose).

Diplomatic actions:
Type of government: You can not coup or influence a human player. USA may not become Stalinist.
Alliances: Soviets can not join Axis or Allies. Nationalist China can not join any alliance. Once a human nation has joined an alliance, it may not leave this alliance.
DOW: You are only allowed to DOW a country if your land forces take a direct part in the invasion of the country (example: an Axis Italy can not DOW Denmark in order to get a lower increase in US WE). You may never DOW a country in Central America or South America unless the USA is a part of the Allies (you can of course first DOW the USA so they become a part of the Allies, and then DOW for example Brazil).
Military access: You can not ask for military access (exception: you can ask military access from a puppet you control). You may only base your units in a country in your alliance (you don’t need military access for this). In other words, you may not refuel aircraft of ships in any country that is not in your alliance. You may not attack from neutral land or make an amphibious assault from neutral ships. (example: a non-Axis Japan may not have their units on German or Italian soil, the UK and USA may not have their units on Soviet soil and vice versa, Japan can not refuel their fleet in Brazil)
Military control: If you assume military control over an AI nation you may not use this nations units at the expense of the host nations security (example: the UK takes control of AI France and moves the entire French Army to UK mainland).
Expeditionary forces: You may send an unlimited amount of units to a country in your alliance, but a maximum of 3 units to a country not in your alliance (exception: you may not send any units to Spain unless you also decided to support them from the event).
Coup+DOW: Couping a nation simply in order to be able to DOW at more favorable conditions (such as avoiding a French AI auto-DOW, avoid raising US WE, avoid dissent) is not allowed. You may “re-coup” a nation that has been couped by the opposing side, and then DOW them if you wish (example: the Italian player may not coup Turkey and DOW them in order to avoid the French AI auto-DOW, but if the UK coups Yugoslavia so it becomes democratic, the Italians may coup them back to paternal autocrat and then DOW them).
Tech sharing to human nations: Silver techs. No sharing between allies and Comintern (exception: CW nations may send both silver and gold tech to other CW nations, even if they are human controlled).
Tech sharing to AI nations: You may only send to AI nations in your alliance, and you may only send silver tech (exception: CW nations may send both silver and gold tech to AI controlled CW nations).
Changes to the Scenario:

Nationalprovinces added:
Italy - Greece. Albania. Yugoslavia.
Spain - Portugal.
Germany - Danzig.

Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary converted to Greater-Romania.
 
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Slargos said:
Starting a newbie game with a couple of fellow EU2 community regulars.

The logistics penalty would seem like a killer in MP, however. Would you good folks suggest playing with 1.05 instead of 1.06 for MP?

Also, are there any MP-related issues that I should be aware of?

House-rules that are tried-and-true?

What speed is the community norm to play at?
On newbies:
Slargos a newbie? Ha! :D

On patch version:
You should definately play with 1.06. Logistical penalty might be a tad too high at times but it takes care of sea landings over the entire Pacific and some other essential stuff. 1.06 is THE best patch. Offensive operations are tougher yes but that is as it should be.

On rules:
The DEG-rules works great. You can find a modified version of those here. There might be some discussion on tuning and tweaking after the current 39ers campaign ends.

On speed:
If you start in 1936 you might want to go on normal speed or even a little faster when people (Japan vs. Nat. China, Italy vs. Ethiopia or Balkan minors) aren't at war. When Germany gets into war slow is appropriate.

On EU2-players:
Whom might be involved in this campaign. Can you reveal the names of the players? :)
 
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Ok. Here's what I'm thinking:

1936 scenario.

US/UK/SU vs Germany, Japan, Italy.

Neither US nor SU may start to upgrade IC until they are at war in order to balance it.

3 players so far, so we need atleast 3 more. Any takers?
 

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Slargos said:
Ok. Here's what I'm thinking:

1936 scenario.

US/UK/SU vs Germany, Japan, Italy.

Neither US nor SU may start to upgrade IC until they are at war in order to balance it.

3 players so far, so we need atleast 3 more. Any takers?

Depends upon when you are playing.....but would be happy to join.
 

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Welcome dude to hoi comunity :D

Depends of the day/hour i can be avalaible
 

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All,

Can someone explain to me how planes are used and under what conditions? :D

What scenario is best for MP?
 

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Well, Holistic invited to me to play this thing (I guess this is the game HG invited). So, we play 1.06 right? 1936?

Thinking already in the giant mistakes I will make playing this thing :D I think I will post AARs now, since it could be fun remember in the future the stupid things I could do in my first MP HOI game.
 

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Aldo said:
It just cracks me up seeing these EU2 vets wander around in the HoI Forum like lost children. :D

I think 39 is the best scenario. Most WW2-ish anyway.

TEN-HUTT!

ARE U EYEBALLING ME, RECRUIT!! :mad:

I swear. These days, there's no respect for your elders and superiors. :p

.....

In the Wheel of Time universe, the Wise Ones barge around with their fists on their hips and boss around the more experienced Sedai.

I think I'm just going to curse at you if you continue this line of reasoning, Aldo. :D
 

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Aldo,

What Slargos said. :D

We have simply given the game time to mature and evolve before treading its unknown trails. To become worthy of our play. :D

Arco,

We're doing a test game tonight. I'd suggest 1939 as Aldo said-you, Hive, Slargos and I. An HOI guy, Fred, Mulli and, it appears, PJL will likely join us for a regular (I suggest 1936) longterm on Fridays (details to be announced, likely, as Slargos is the GM, at the last minute or even several minutes too late).
 

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May I suggest Struggle For Supremacy - The Next Gerneration...... or SFS - HOI edition as a working title.

:D

BTW. I don't really want to start this Friday if we do, since I won't be here for the full session. Also, I have hardly played HOI at alll, only really know the basics (and if there is any country I would play, it would be Italy).
 

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HolisticGod said:
Arco,

We're doing a test game tonight. I'd suggest 1939 as Aldo said-you, Hive, Slargos and I. An HOI guy, Fred, Mulli and, it appears, PJL will likely join us for a regular (I suggest 1936) longterm on Fridays (details to be announced, likely, as Slargos is the GM, at the last minute or even several minutes too late).

So, you convinced me to play -and leave early my job- for a test game! Evil HG ;)

Anyway, I hope we can start next friday (I could leave early one day in the week, but two is a bit more difficult).

Ah, and I like the 'SFS - HOI edition' title idea
 

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Arco,

Well, at the time I didn't realize we wouldn't be playing a regular game...

PJL,

Next Friday works for me, too... Up to Slargos.

And given our collective skill level, might I suggest Struggle for Adequacy?
 

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I like PJL's suggestion for the title. :D

I too can play this friday, so that would be good...

And I, like PJL, only know the basics of HoI. A loooooooong time since I last played it...

As to the question about nations, it depends on the rules Slargos set. If he demands that Japan joins the Axis and USA the allies, then I'd prefer Italy or Spain. If not, then I'd love to take USA while Hoggy plays the red bastards in Russia.... :cool:
 

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Hive said:
As to the question about nations, it depends on the rules Slargos set. If he demands that Japan joins the Axis and USA the allies, then I'd prefer Italy or Spain. If not, then I'd love to take USA while Hoggy plays the red bastards in Russia.... :cool:

People already picking countries. Well, I can play any country, except for the axis ones :D (well, maybe Japan or Italy if the need arises, but under no circumstance Germany).
 

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All,

Well, are we doing a game this afternoon?

If so, I'll take the Soviets, Hive can take the US, Slarg can take Germany and Arco can take the UK. We can do the USSR/Germany versus the US/UK or something. Unless PJL joins us, in which case we could add a Japan or an Italy.

For the straight game, though, I'd like the Japanese.