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What seemed like a grind was reading that it took 100's of years to fabricate claims, but that certainly isn't true since I already conqured all of northern ireland in a span of about 10 years.

Considering how unique this style of gameplay is, I don't think you should be policing threads and telling people who are discouraged with the gameplay that this "probably" isn't the right game for them. From the sound of things everybody has a certain amount of shellshock when trying to tackle this game for the first time, and it is hard enough trying to learn all this stuff without people telling you that you should just go play some other game.

As I said, I'm actually having fun with the game thanks to the *helpfull* posts in this thread.

He was just trying to help you. There is so much depth to Paradox games that it's reasonable to make fair judgements based on how you're posting. Much of what we told you isn't even absolute. Honestly, the way you presented your predicaments kinda expressed that your expectations were bordering on the unrealistic. No one here wants there to be less players, even if Paradox seems to work as hard as they can to erect the most steep learning curve possible in each of their games.
 

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When your ruler was deposed, his successor didn't inherit properly. It will be a few years and your levies will come back. It is like he conquered new territory. Won't last too long.
 

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Hey, when you started, someone said not to assault the walls as you did with your mercenaries. It's a strategy, but in the beginning you have so little money, I personally prefer to assault, because as your mercs get killed, that's less you have to pay and may allow you to end the war early much quicker before another enemy can get involved and they also restore their numbers on their own. It's up to you, though.
 

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It seems like a lot of your questions have to do with the nature of how the feudal system works -- I would recommend reading this guide to CK II. It provides a very good explanation of the social structure of Europe and how CK II's mechanics function based upon it.
 
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What seemed like a grind was reading that it took 100's of years to fabricate claims

Well, technically "fabricating" them usually is a once-or-twice in a century proposition, but there are other ways to get them.

Considering how unique this style of gameplay is, I don't think you should be policing threads and telling people who are discouraged with the gameplay that this "probably" isn't the right game for them.

There's no judgement implied, not everything is for everybody, and I don't think people who like CK2 are better or more worthy than those who don't. But I've seen a lot of posts by a lot of people who seem extremely frustrated by the slow pace of expansion in CK2 and are constantly looking for a faster way to do it. I don't see any harm in raising the possibility. I'm not "policing".
 

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Ok, new problem guys...

So I'm king of Ireland, and the pope has this crusade in sicily that I jump into. Well by some stroke of stupid luck I end up being the one to kill the guy he wanted to kill and he gave me ALL of the territory that was part of the crusade...

49 OF THEM!

You know how I said I wanted to rule the world earlier in the thread? Well... I have do idea where to start... I guess I should start handing out land titles to vassals? (Lol, that alone is gonna take like 20 min, I don't even HAVE that many vassals!)

I don't even know where to start or how I'm gonna defend all this...
 

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^^

I have not been playing long, but sometimes its best to just let territory go. 49 counties on the other side of Europe is a lot to defend.

My advice (and again based on limited experience) would be to grant a couple of counties to vassals near or in Ireland and then grant them territory in Sicily, from what I read vassals with capitals near your capital will give you a better opinion modifier.
 

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Ok, new problem guys...

So I'm king of Ireland, and the pope has this crusade in sicily that I jump into. Well by some stroke of stupid luck I end up being the one to kill the guy he wanted to kill and he gave me ALL of the territory that was part of the crusade...

49 OF THEM!

You know how I said I wanted to rule the world earlier in the thread? Well... I have do idea where to start... I guess I should start handing out land titles to vassals? (Lol, that alone is gonna take like 20 min, I don't even HAVE that many vassals!)

I don't even know where to start or how I'm gonna defend all this...
Yep, start handing them out to vassals you trust - look for the 'content' trait as that gives them a massive (+50) permanent relation bonus to their liege. Never advance the demesne of someone who has the 'ambitious' trait.
 

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You can also give lands to individuals in the courts of your vassals, or vassal's vassals (basically anyone in your realm). Just use the character finder and select the "realm" option or whatever it is and you'll be able to quickly find useful people to give titles to (like those with the content trait, or other traits compatible with yours). If a vassal has a councillor that you would like on your own council, then you can also give them lands as well and put them on your council (and deprive a potentially unruly vassal access to a high quality councillor).

ps: I haven't played CK2 for a long time now, but I believe Sicily is quite hard to defend in the current version of the game. Wait and see what others say, but if I were you (as a new player) I would consider giving all the lands out to vassals, or perhaps just give the entire Kingdom to a younger son/brother who wont be inheriting anything in Ireland.
 

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He was just trying to help you. There is so much depth to Paradox games that it's reasonable to make fair judgements based on how you're posting. Much of what we told you isn't even absolute. Honestly, the way you presented your predicaments kinda expressed that your expectations were bordering on the unrealistic. No one here wants there to be less players, even if Paradox seems to work as hard as they can to erect the most steep learning curve possible in each of their games.

Part of that curve comes with the question: now what do I do? And the answer is: Guess! A paradox really... Now I get the name!
 

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It's Sicily and half of Itally, stopping right at Rome! :blink:

I'd hate to give the land up to an heir, would they potentially split off and not be part of my empire?
Depends on the title. If it's a duchy, whoever you give it to should still be your vassal, but if it's a kingdom it won't. (Unless you already have an emperor-level title.)

Personally I'd do what Bluebags suggested and hand them over to a family member, but that's just me.
 
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Now is the perfect time to transfer to Sicily! Move your Capital to Palermo, this is your gate way to the rest of the world. Tech is soo much higher there than in grassland.. Give grassland to some other vassal or to your son.
 

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It's Sicily and half of Itally, stopping right at Rome! :blink:

I'd hate to give the land up to an heir, would they potentially split off and not be part of my empire?

You have many varied choices as to what to do with the land. As to whether an family member would split off, that depends which title you give them. If you are a King, then you can make them a Duke and retain the King of Sicily title for yourself, and as a Duke they would remain your vassal (but could rebel if they chose to). If you gave them the King title, then they would be a King in their own right and not a vassal to you, and thus form their own realm. As you are both of the same dynasty, however, you will have a permanent alliance between the two Kingdoms as long as your dynasty stays on the throne of each.

As Blackfish mentioned above, if you have an Emperor level title, then you can give out King titles to others and they will remain your vassal, but you'll have to do a bit of conquering before you get to that point :)
 

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It's Sicily and half of Itally, stopping right at Rome! :blink:

I'd hate to give the land up to an heir, would they potentially split off and not be part of my empire?

well, its about efficiency. for me its not worth it to maintain 2 holding which is far apart. another option is to give the land to another family member and let it go as a branch of ur dynasty. u can give over ireland or sicily depend on ur taste. sicily would be a nice place for world conquest (perfect location for holy war cb, technologically advance, but surrounding with many powerfull potential enemy), while ireland relative more stable and peacefull.
 

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One of the most useful buttons for getting rid of large tracts of land quickly is 'include all lower titles.' When I win a crusade or something which gives me a huge number of holdings, I find an unlanded family member who isn't an heir to anything and who doesn't have (inheritable) claims on my titles and give him a county, then a duchy, making sure to click the 'include all lower titles' button. This goes much faster, and if you give someone a dozen or so titles he gets a huge opinion boost.

If you don't make it your primary title, there's a good chance you'll lose Sicily--either to a rebellion or to foreign invaders. But there's also a good chance you won't. I had a game where I was the King of Scotland and Greece, and despite a good number of civil wars, I held both kingdoms (there were a few rebellions and other wars where I found my armies sailing from Scotland to Greece and back again multiple times). If you can keep any one vassal from gaining too much power you can probably hold on. (Also, independence factions seem a lot less likely than they used to be, so maybe you won't have to worry about it too much.)