Started in Ireland, been playing all day with no progress, NEED HELP!

[Ratlegion]

Reading your posts are really humorous, tc. I mean, we've all been there some time or another with Paradox, but you bring back a lot of old memories.

In this time frame, it is only socially acceptable to have a limited number of holdings. You take big reputation hits if you go beyond this limit. When you attacked him because he was part of your dejure, he still keeps the land, he will just serve you. You only need 5 to 15 personal holdings, depending on your rank and stats, so that is all you need to fabricate on. The rest is always going to belong to someone else. You'll have to get used to it.

And in this time period, nobles didn't kill each other too often, so if you're expecting to kill a lot of people, maybe this isn't the game for you.

 

[Ratlegion]

And if you really want to get it over with, just revoke his title. You'll take a tyranny hit, but it's faster and almost guaranteed to work instantly, and you can stop stressing over it.

Also, the way the game is supposed to be played through marriage manipulation, so that's how you get most of your more important gains. As for Ireland, if you get half of the dejure kingdom, you have dejure rights on the rest and they will become your vassals or be forced into it, like the Baron you just conquered.

 

[Duke of Bavaria]

Well theres fabricating claims that works just like this way and really needs as long as you said, but as already mentioned there are also other ways to get claims for example inheriting them or pushing claims of your courtiers...you can also go to war for other reasons liek religious wars, or if the other ruler is excommunicated etc. or if you have a higher title someone owns de jure parts of your realm. It can be a little overwhelming at first but you seemt o be a fast learner, hang in there . ;-)

 

[Lorehead]

Is there any other way? This kind of just seems like a grind...

Yes, several. For example, if you click on the coat of arms for the county you’re looking at, there’s a button for “Claimants.” If you invite one over, you can declare a war to give him the title. If you give him a barony or county, he’ll be your vassal afterwards and love you. Or, if the claim is hereditary, you can marry him to your own dynasty and breed a claimant of your dynasty, who’ll be your vassal even without giving him land first.

 

[Anenu]

You expand in different ways, in your case since your fighting other Catholics you can expand in war by having a claim or by being the persons de jure liege. The first method involves getting a claim on another province which means that for whatever reason this land should be your land, you can do this with the chancellor (which can be fast or slow depending upon chancellor's skill and some luck) or by inheriting one which can take time and i would not suggest for what you are trying to take. The second method is to be the de jure liege which means that you have legal claim to their lands, in order to find out what you have legal claim to you have to hold a duchy or higher title, once you become a duke all de jure lands in that duchy you can declare war on, you can find out what lands those are by using the duchy map mode or clicking on the duchy title and looking at de jure land, it is important to note that in order to form a duke title you need 50% or more of the duchy and the you do not gain the lands when you win the war unless the lands ruler has holdings outside of that province instead they become your vassal. Eventually by taking the right areas with claims you chancellor earns you you can form duchys that allow you to take enough of Ireland, 50%, and form the Kingdom of Ireland and you will then have the ability to launch wars against everyone in Ireland making them your vassals.

 

[unmerged(629134)]

Thanks for the advice everyone!

I'm actually having fun thanks to you guys. I 've got 5 counties under my belt so far!

Couple new problems...

I got excommunicated.

England declared war on me, due to some excommunication crusade or something...


Any advice?

 

[unmerged(629134)]

OH MY GOD.

10,000 English troops invaded!


WHY DOES THIS GAME HATE ME?


Yeah... gonna need some help here, mercs wont cut it this time...

 

[fleetothemoon]

Thanks for the advice everyone!

I'm actually having fun thanks to you guys. I 've got 5 counties under my belt so far!

Couple new problems...

I got excommunicated.

England declared war on me, due to some excommunication crusade or something...


Any advice?

Lol, play nice with the pope and maintain high piety. Don't be too much of a tyrant or truce breaker. If you DO get excommunicated, ask the Pope to lift excommunication or do it via the intrigue tab ASAP (you'll need a lot of gold for this, which I believe is scaled with your income). Being excommunicated just makes everyone, including your vassals to dislike you, so more rebellious vassals, more plots against you etc.

Well, in either case it is probably a bit too late now. You can just surrender to the English if you can't beat them. You lost a hell lot of gold and prestige, but since it's just an excommunication cb, you wont lose any land.

 

[ShoGuL]

Just surrender.. excommunication wars wont kill you.

 

[Anenu]

the simple answer is that your doomed.

You could try for a white peace but your probably going to die. Enjoy and learn from your experiences for your next game and welcome to Crusader Kings 2.

 

[unmerged(629134)]

What are the consequences for surrender? (I really can't believe the game doesn't tell you any of this, at least in a tooltip...)

If I'm gonna loose gold, should I splurge and spend as much as I can? I did a test surrender and I went from 360 Gold and about 500 prestiege, to 0 gold and 0 prestiege...

 

[unmerged(629134)]

For that matter, if I should spend the gold and prestiege, what should I spend it on?


Also, as a separate note, should I be building \ researching stuff? I haven't been able to afford to until now and I'm about to loose it all. Heh, figures.

 

[Tempestra]

Brian, it sounds like you're more used to Civ or Medieval: Total War style rapid expansion games. Expansion in CK2 is much slower. If this seems like a "grind" to you, it's probably not the right game for you.

 

[unmerged(629401)]

You can research stuff, but your tech will progress pretty quickly normally. Only thing I've even changed around in my tech tree was focusing on farming. Everything else was default.

Yes, you should be building things. A good one to start with would be a militia training ground. That can bolster your army's size. Then go for stables and the other one that I forget. Then upgrade your castle and pallisade so that you can build up your castle even more and tax more.

As for being excommunicated, you're in dire straights, but not totally lost. You just need to butter up to the Pope. Answer to calls for crusades, send him money, etc. Whatever you can. Then when he likes you, ask him to lift the ban.

 

[unmerged(629401)]

Actually Brian, read through this: http://lparchive.org/Crusader-Kings-2/
I read through half of that and didn't even go into the tutorial. It was that explanatory and the guy pretty much goes through every situation you can think of. Even starts at the same place you started more or less.

 

[unmerged(629134)]

Brian, it sounds like you're more used to Civ or Medieval: Total War style rapid expansion games. Expansion in CK2 is much slower. If this seems like a "grind" to you, it's probably not the right game for you.

What seemed like a grind was reading that it took 100's of years to fabricate claims, but that certainly isn't true since I already conqured all of northern ireland in a span of about 10 years.

Considering how unique this style of gameplay is, I don't think you should be policing threads and telling people who are discouraged with the gameplay that this "probably" isn't the right game for them. From the sound of things everybody has a certain amount of shellshock when trying to tackle this game for the first time, and it is hard enough trying to learn all this stuff without people telling you that you should just go play some other game.

As I said, I'm actually having fun with the game thanks to the *helpfull* posts in this thread.

 

[Rewjeo]

How many save games do you have? If you have one from before you were excommunicated/England invaded, and you don't object to reloading, I would advise you load one of those up. If you have a save from before you were excommunicated, go to the Pope (either find Rome on the map or go through the Religion tab at the top) and see what his opinion of you is. You can try and improve that. If possible, I would "Send Gift" through the diplomacy menu or, if you can't afford that, you could give him some of your land for an opinion boost if you're desperate. If you can't make the Pope like you, I would at least see why he dislikes you (hover your mouse over the number that represents opinion) so you can avoid it in the future. Also, do you remember seeing something that said something like "[your name] was excommunicated at the request of [some person]?" If someone disliked you but was liked by the Pope, they could have had you excommunicated. You might also be able to get that person to like you so that they don't ask for you to be excommunicated.

If you don't have a save from before you were excommunicated, just try and get the excommunication lifted ASAP through the intrigue menu and then try and get the Pope to like you. If the excommunication is lifted, the war between you and England will just end inconclusively because their casus belli is no longer valid. I suppose that, in the off chance your character has the trait "depressed," you could also commit suicide via the intrigue menu. Once your heir takes over, the war will end because, again, the casus belli will no longer be valid.



Mind you, failure is always an option. You could just accept that you lost this time and start up a new game.

 

[unmerged(629134)]

Actually Brian, read through this: http://lparchive.org/Crusader-Kings-2/
I read through half of that and didn't even go into the tutorial. It was that explanatory and the guy pretty much goes through every situation you can think of. Even starts at the same place you started more or less.

That tutorial is amazing!

Something like that should be a walkthrough tutorial in the game, or at least a sticky in the forums! Thanks for posting it!

 

[brucepm]

In re: the game telling you what happens when you surrender: it does. If you open the panel where you dictate terms/white peace/surrender, hover over each option and there will be a tooltip telling you exactly what will happen if that option is successfully selected. Additionally, before you even declare war, hover over the casus belli you're going to be using (de jure claim, invasion, press claim, etc), and there will be a tool tip telling you what will happen if you win/lose/draw.

 

[unmerged(629401)]

That tutorial is amazing!

Something like that should be a walkthrough tutorial in the game, or at least a sticky in the forums! Thanks for posting it!

You're welcome. Just go through about half of that and you should be golden on just about everything you need to know.