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After trying my first IN game as Bohemia I have noticed 3 strange things.

1 stability.

Seems that even if I dont invest in stability I go very quickly from -2 to + 3 and thats excluding missions. Seems a little easy to me though I must say its an improvement on the whole -3 stab for centurys that occured before in some states.

2 prestige

After vassalising about 8 states and annexing 6 provinces my prestige is in the negative quite deep I must add even though it started quite high. Only negative things I can see is I used spys to fabricate claims(always succesful was quite lucky) and failed to come to the aid of a member of the HRE twice and failed to honour an alliance once. I guess there were a few rejected alliances and marriages also but on the whole I should be high in prestige. No idea why this is and whether or not its a bug?

3 HRE

Over 50% of electors are my vassals on top of that I have good relations with them. Yet some still dont vote for me(I lost one election because of this). I kind of think this is silly. A state that has no foreign policy of its own and must follow me into war when ever I desire shouldnt be able to vote against me in elections. A vassal is more than an ally its just an extension of my realm with a bit of autonomy. I know that there were various types of vassal states with something like moldova having quite a lot of autonomy, while whether Silesia really should be an independent vassal is a bit strange, but either way when I am a candidate for the empire then my vassals should really vote for me and not someone else.
 

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It was breaking the alliances that lost you your prestige, I noticed this myself. Basically don't break alliances. Also don't guarantee independence if you can't hold up your part of the bargain.
 

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So breaking an alliance is no really costly? much more so than winning wars and vassalising states? strange ok guess I will be more careful. and I guess I need to be a more active emperor. Still it seems a bit strange to be the arch warlord of central northern Europe and control a vast vassal empire, yet have lower prestige than naxos.
 

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nestorius said:
So breaking an alliance is no really costly? much more so than winning wars and vassalising states? strange ok guess I will be more careful. and I guess I need to be a more active emperor. Still it seems a bit strange to be the arch warlord of central northern Europe and control a vast vassal empire, yet have lower prestige than naxos.

I don't think you've quite grasped the concept of the Holy Roman Empire. :rofl: You're supposed to be a common alliance of Christian princes aiding each other - not using it as an excuse for world domination. :eek:
 

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the HRE was never really that. It was what it was meant to be but in the end it didnt quite work and in essence the emperor just did what I am doing.

well maybe not quite.

Either way from what I gathered prestige is meant to be how respected(feared etc) you are. I thought that this should really be quite high.
 

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nestorius said:
the HRE was never really that. It was what it was meant to be but in the end it didnt quite work and in essence the emperor just did what I am doing.

well maybe not quite.

Either way from what I gathered prestige is meant to be how respected(feared etc) you are. I thought that this should really be quite high.
Big difference between respect and fear, you are feared but your respect is low cause you break alliances.
 

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nestorius said:
the HRE was never really that. It was what it was meant to be but in the end it didnt quite work and in essence the emperor just did what I am doing.

well maybe not quite.

Either way from what I gathered prestige is meant to be how respected(feared etc) you are. I thought that this should really be quite high.

Respected - yes
Feared - no

Were you annexing HRE countries?
 

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But do not forget the great words:

Niccolò Machiavelli: It is best to be both feared and loved; however, if one cannot be both it is better to be feared than loved



So go out and conquer the Germanic lands:)
 

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just vassalising dont want to start a BB war yet.

just too provinces from brandenburg and bavaria as it wouldnt let me vassalise only take provinces(not really sure if this is good as going from 4 to 1 province seems worse than getting vassalised).

Prestige is always a bit of a wierd thing and never quite understood what it was meant to represent, especially if when in a BB your prestige is high yet you are evil skum, yet now I am evil skum and expanding my empire and my prestige is low. Well either way in some way it makes sense. Guess people look down at me as my word isnt worth the paper its written on. Still think that shouldnt affect how my vassals behave.
 

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nestorius said:
1 stability.

Seems that even if I dont invest in stability I go very quickly from -2 to + 3 and thats excluding missions. Seems a little easy to me though I must say its an improvement on the whole -3 stab for centurys that occured before in some states.

You're the HRE emp, you get stab investments from every state in the HRE.

Also, doesn't the Emp take a prestiege hit for annexing land in the HRE?
 

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Darkrenown said:
Also, doesn't the Emp take a prestiege hit for annexing land in the HRE?
Yes, -5 prestige per province, even with a core on it.