Spy Network on Subjects

[Ziggy187]

C'mon PDX, really? it's been 7 years of this game and yet we still haven't fixed this?
I can only build spy network on master country, not their subjects. However, I only get siege bonus from spy network on the master and not their subjects. WTF? so I'm just screwed blue on my rivals subjects?
Example: Play anyone that hates Burgundy. Burgundy has the low land countries as subjects. If you build a vast spy network on Burgundy, your bonus to siege does not apply to the subjects. And the smack in the face is you can't build a spy network on the subjects. YOU'RE JUST FLAT OUT SCREWED!!!!

 

[Ziggy187]

OMG, I'm a derp, this did get addressed, my bad. face palm.

 

[Sidolowka]

One issue that I would like to see addressed though is Subjects and Sieging in general.

If you have +50% siege ability and 100 spy network in the Ottomans as, say Poland, but Moldavia with their +2% siege ability and 5 spy network gets to Constantinople 2 days before you do, you're stuck with their siege ability instead of yours for the entire siege.

This would be feasible with allies, but with subjects you'd expect to be able to take over the siege as their overlords.

 

[Blust]

To top that previous comment I have seen my vassals order my troops to invade the castle once a breach has been made

 

[lambda x.x]

One issue that I would like to see addressed though is Subjects and Sieging in general.

If you have +50% siege ability and 100 spy network in the Ottomans as, say Poland, but Moldavia with their +2% siege ability and 5 spy network gets to Constantinople 2 days before you do, you're stuck with their siege ability instead of yours for the entire siege.

This would be feasible with allies, but with subjects you'd expect to be able to take over the siege as their overlords.

Just as an FYI, there is a pretty consistent workaround. I'm aware that the existence of a workaround isn't a counterpoint to your suggestion (that I also agree with), but not many people know of this, so I figured I'd mention it:

Simply set your subject to passive for a day and set it back to siege. Then they'll step off and give you the siege leader
I believe passive subjects still siege (or continue sieging) targets, so if you told a subject to siege that province, you'd need to temporarily cancel that order and set to passive.